Misato's feelings towards Shinji at the start of Q

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Postby wiser3754 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:03 am

Put your hand over Misato's mouth and concentrate on her eyes after she says "You'll do nothing", looking at Shinji's eyes as he begins to cry for Kaworu, the top and bottom middle around the iris begin to reach for each other, same as Misato's.
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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:54 am

3.0 sure makes me wish I could give hugs to the cast, same with NGE's Bitter End Arc and parts of EoE. Image

But no hugs for Kiel and Seele. Fuck 'em.
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Postby xanderkh » Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:58 am

^
Amen to that SSD.

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Postby ElMariachi » Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:13 am

View Original PostSailor Star Dust wrote:But no hugs for Kiel and Seele. Fuck 'em.

Don't worry, Gendo already took care of that! :devil:
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Postby Bagheera » Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:30 am

I see, in order: inquiry, reflection/regret/consideration, contempt/resolve/decision, and anger.
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Postby Dataprime » Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:49 am

But do you think she actually hates him now?

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Postby Bagheera » Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:51 am

Nope.
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Postby ElMariachi » Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:59 am

View Original PostBagheera wrote:I see, in order: inquiry, reflection/regret/consideration, contempt/resolve/decision, and anger.

In short, her feelings are an undecipherable clustefuck that even herself can't sort out, looks like we're back at square one! :lol:
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Postby Ray » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:44 pm

If she does 'hate' him its more of a defense mechanism than genuine hate. . . She supposedly hated her father, and then he saved her life, so she's confused about how to feel about him. She thought she cared about Shinj, then he blew up half the planet. . . so she confused about how to feel about him.

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Postby ChaddyManPrime » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:47 pm

^
Not necessarily all Gendo's fault, Shinji is a puppet who quite frankly should be able to see his strings by now.
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Postby Stillborn » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:53 pm

She probably considers him a biggest ingrate, who rapaid her for her kindness with catastrophe, as well as the greatest disappointment of her life.
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Postby Bagheera » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:55 pm

View Original PostStillborn wrote:She probably considers him a biggest ingrate, who rapaid her for her kindness with catastrophe, as well as the greatest disappointment of her life.


Oh please, she's not an idiot.
For my post-3I fic, go here.
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People's deaths are to be mourned. The ability to save people should be celebrated. Life itself should be exalted. -- Volken Macmani, Tatakau Shisho: The Book of Bantorra
I hate myself. But maybe I can learn to love myself. Maybe it's okay for me to be here! That's right! I'm me, nothing more, nothing less! I'm me. I want to be me! I want to be here! And it's okay for me to be here! -- Shinji Ikari, Neon Genesis Evangelion
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Postby Stillborn » Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:00 pm

I never said she was.
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Postby Bagheera » Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:04 pm

View Original PostStillborn wrote:I never said she was.


But she would have to be, to act as you describe.
For my post-3I fic, go here.
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I hate myself. But maybe I can learn to love myself. Maybe it's okay for me to be here! That's right! I'm me, nothing more, nothing less! I'm me. I want to be me! I want to be here! And it's okay for me to be here! -- Shinji Ikari, Neon Genesis Evangelion
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Postby Stillborn » Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:07 pm

If you believe so.

Emotions don't need to be rational. I've seen how certain mothers act. But if you think she would have to be stupid for that... :shrug:
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Postby Bagheera » Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:11 pm

View Original PostStillborn wrote:If you believe so.

Emotions don't need to be rational. I've seen how certain mothers act. But if you think she would have to be stupid for that... :shrug:


:rolleyes: At that point she's not the one who's an idiot.
For my post-3I fic, go here.
The law doesn't protect people. People protect the law. -- Akane Tsunemori, Psycho-Pass
People's deaths are to be mourned. The ability to save people should be celebrated. Life itself should be exalted. -- Volken Macmani, Tatakau Shisho: The Book of Bantorra
I hate myself. But maybe I can learn to love myself. Maybe it's okay for me to be here! That's right! I'm me, nothing more, nothing less! I'm me. I want to be me! I want to be here! And it's okay for me to be here! -- Shinji Ikari, Neon Genesis Evangelion
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Postby ElMariachi » Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:08 am

View Original PostChaddyManPrime wrote:^
Not necessarily all Gendo's fault, Shinji is a puppet who quite frankly should be able to see his strings by now.

By the end of 3.0 sure, before that it was near impossible, since until Kaworu's infodump Shinji didn't even know that Gendo was a bad guy (an asshole sure, but not an enemy of mankind), and once he discovered it his only option was to pilot EVA-13 to try to thwart his plans, but Gendo was already many steps ahead.
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Postby robersora » Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:02 am

I'm still amazed how nobody treats Stillborn like the troll he is.

In my opinion Misato is not entirely sure how to feel. On the one hand it's been 14 years in which everything changed that drastically, she might have a hard time to remember him correctly. Then there's the constant pressure of leading a ship that's constantly being attached by some mighty monsters while there is a 14 year old on board that does not listen to a thing anyone says. I wouldn't say she hates him, but she definitely does not feel too poka-poka about it, since he seems to be the ignitor of impending apocalypses. Then again, he has been almost her foster-son. I think the word which best describes her feelings is "conflicted".
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Postby ChaddyManPrime » Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:13 am

^
The Good Sir isn't a troll, he's just disappointed at how Anno treats Shinji and company.

Conflicted is a good word to use, I prefer hesitant myself.
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Postby robersora » Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:31 am

^
Hesitant, huh? But towards whom or what? She seems pretty determined to fight off the Nemesis-series and confine Shinji where he can do no harm to me. She doesn't seem to hesitate one bit, she just does what she assumes might be the best. Innerly she's very torn if turning off all emotion and treating him not like a human being is the right way to go about this situation. Yet she does not hesitate. But she certainly seems conflicted.

I didn't get that at all the first two or so watches of the movie, but once I started looking at the little cues the superb animation gives off, I felt like I grasped a better understanding of Misato.
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