Worst Case Scenario Ending?

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Postby Ray » Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:25 pm

First and foremost.

I am truly happy that even after the controversy that 3.0 dregged up and spilled all over the fanbase that there are still Eva fans who hope for Shinji to get a happy ending. I am truly glad that there are some people who choose to be optimistic, even in the face of Human Instrumentality, that Shinji will get a happy ending. There are many threads devoted to talking about how Shinji will get a happy ending. How they want the rebuilds to end etc.

This Thread on the other hand is devoted to how I (and I'm sure quite a few others) do NOT want the Rebuilds to end. This is for discussion and catharic purposes, how we do NOT want the Rebuilds to end. How we do NOT want a downer ending. How we do NOT want a retread of what happened in the past, and how we can avert any of the following endings in any way.

These IMO are the worst possible ways The Rebuilds could end. Feel free to agree or disagree.

The "Revenge Porn" Ending:

Also known as the "Supervillain Shinji" ending. Personally after all the crap he's gone through I do not think anyone would blame Shinji if he finally snapped under the pressure, and decided to get revenge on all the people who have ruined his life. For me at least, it would be incredibly catharic to see Shinji have a final confrontation with a cruel world and bring it to its end. I'm talking something extreme, like biting Gendo in half, strangling Asuka, getting to unit 01, and giving a big "I don't care anymore" speech before finally ending it all by instigating instrumentality.

Why It Would Be Terrible:

While Catharsis is good, in both reality and in fiction, going on a vengeful, world ending spree is out of character for Shinji. Not to mention many of us do not want an ending where the main character, our hero, whom our hopes and dreams rest upon. Becomes the bad guy.


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EOE Ending (Retread):

Basically the plot for EOE but with cosmetic and minor plot changes to fit the world of the Rebuilds. The mind screws, the horribly depressing ending, the "how disgusting" line, etc.

Why It Would Be Terrible:

We already got our ridiculously epic, tragic, dark, mind screw of an ending in the original EOE. I think its sake to say that the majority of us want, even if its a tragic ending, something different from the original ending.
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The Booker Dewitt Ending (Brainwashing):

One of the ways I theorize(d) the Rebuilds ending with Shinji still alive is if he he joined a Witness Protection Program of some sort. That is got a new name, new face, new identity, new place to live, and had his memories removed so he could live the rest of his life out with some kind of inner peace free of the guilt and the persecution of the people in post-N3I Earth. In a manner similar to the main character of Bioshock Infinite had part of his mind wiped to help him deal with the guilt over participating in a massacre when he was in the military.

Why It Would Be Terrible:

In addition to it making all of Shinji's character development in the first Three and 3/4th movies meaningless, and just be the character running away from his problems again and it would solve nothing. It would not be a good way to close the Rebuilds with such a bad message. "Try to move forward, and if you can't. Run away and forsake your past?" what kind of ending would that be?
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The Shinji Suicide Ending:

Exactly what it says on the tin. a heroic sacrifice, putting a gun to the head, him accepting instrumentality as opposed to rejecting it, detonating the choker himself etc. I do NOT want the Rebuilds to end with Shinji dying in any way. Especially not through the most despicable way anyone can die. Though with the way 4.0 has been set up, Shinji is at his lowest and could very well try and end his life to escape the pain in a vain attempt to find some peace and forgiveness.

Why it would be terrible:

It's suicide! Thats why! Suicide is a terrible thing, noone should ever have to be put into a position to even contemplate it. I know Shinji isn't real but. . . I've met people like him who have been in his position who have attempted the deed. I don't want him to die. If he dies Anno will essentially be saying that there is no hope for anyone suffering, so they should kill themselves. That would be a horrible despicable ending.
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Dieu Ex Machina Ending:

Time loop theory, alternate universes, it being revealed Shinji didn't cause N3I, a cop out troll ending, the world being reset after instrumentality. Take your pick.

Why It Would Be Terrible:

Dieu Ex Machinas are almost always cop outs. Depending on how they are handled.

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What would be your pick for the worst possible ending the Rebuilds could have? Do you disagree with any of my choices? Could any of these be interpreted as a happy ending (except the suicide part)? Comment, but try to stay optimistic. Even in the face of the end.

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Postby artesox » Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:42 pm

My uncle works at Khara and he said that it will end with GNMari and Maya strangling Ritsuko on a beach. -o-;

Now sincerely, I don't think any of these worst case scenarios ending are going to happen, they wouldn't finish well the point of the movies as a whole.

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Postby Ray » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:29 pm

So your worst case scenario ending would be the EOE rehash ending?

How would you have the movies end? I hope Anno has a plan (though I doubt it) because I honestly cannot see a satisfactory ending. Maybe this article will make the ending we do get seem good when compared when what we could have gotten.

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Postby Stillborn » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:57 pm

It all depends on what you consider worst case. For me the world end ending would be satysfying as long as it's done intentionally and without regrets this time.

Also me and CJD already considered suicide ending as much more fitting one, so this one we would actually root for.

As I said all depends on what amaunt of hamfist and spiel you are willing to swallow.
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Postby TMBounty_Hunter » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:11 pm

For me personally the worst possible ending would be one of Anno's idea from the TV days that got vetoed by the rest of the staff:
Anno just talking into the camera.

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Postby ElMariachi » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:14 pm

View Original PostTMBounty_Hunter wrote:For me personally the worst possible ending would be one of Anno's idea from the TV days that got vetoed by the rest of the staff:
Anno just talking into the camera.

Wait, that wasn't just a crazy rumor!? :cringe:
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Postby hui43210 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:22 pm

View Original PostElMariachi wrote:Wait, that wasn't just a crazy rumor!? :cringe:


I think it came from an interview actually.
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Postby Ray » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:29 pm

That is either the dumbest, or most badass thing I have ever heard.

Anyway worst case scenario, take your pick or create your own.

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Postby KingXanaduu » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:32 pm

To me, personally, the worst kind of ending would be one where Shinji gets NO catharsis. In that, his story just ends with 3.33, and he's left to rot in a cell for the rest of the movie. No reconciliation with Misato or Asuka or Rei, no closure with his father, just nothing, the ultimate meaning to Misato's phrase "You won't do anything anymore", while Wille cleans up his mess and he's left to rot alone for his days as punishment.

THAT would be the worst ending. :(
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Postby Ray » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:38 pm

That is horribly dark. . .

When you put it like THAT, I guess we should be glad we at least get 4.0.

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Postby Giji Shinka » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:43 pm

Worst case scenario would be: Anno dying before finishing 4.0.
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Postby Ray » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:44 pm

You madman! You've jinxed us all!

Seriously though, if that happens. . .I'd cry.

I recommend keeping all discussions In verse.
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Postby KingXanaduu » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:45 pm

View Original PostRay wrote:That is horribly dark. . .

When you put it like THAT, I guess we should be glad we at least get 4.0.


No, that's what I meant about 4.0, in that his story is over now, and we focus on Wille. While Wille does get the job done, Shinji is left forever alone in a cell as punishment for his crimes. Forever alone, unwanted, unloved, and haunted by everything he has done. A prisoner unto himself. :(
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Postby Stillborn » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:47 pm

Well... I guess that's what will happen in 4.0 just without the physical cell :tongue:
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Postby TMBounty_Hunter » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:50 pm

View Original PostGiji Shinka wrote:Worst case scenario would be: Anno dying before finishing 4.0.

As long as the layouts are finished every step onward can be carried on perfectly fine by the rest of the staff.
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Postby Ray » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:50 pm

Ever see Terry Gilliam's Brazil? Theres an ending in that film where the main character has an ending like that, but its also kind of a happy ending.

It's kind've like the last two episodes of NGE in that respect.

Basically, after being pushed past a breaking point. With his GF being taken in by an Orwellian government, being tortured, and finally reaching a breaking point. the main character escapes into his own mind, so the government can no longer interrogate him. Of course that's not an ending I want for Shinji. But who knows at this point?
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Postby NemZ » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:58 pm

Well, since you asked...

Start with catatonic Shinji locked in isolation and add Wille torturing ReiQ for information. Eventually Ritsuko finally persuades Misato that they are too dangerous to be kept alive and both are executed. So 01 wakes up and tears the wonder to shreds from inside, killing everyone onboard except Asuka and Mari who escape on franken-eva... briefly. 01 waking up activates the failures of infinity, who eventually overwhelm the girls and devour them alive. So Yui/Rei, having no solace from enacting vengence, decide to trigger an impact and reset the world, making this whole thing a prequel. Gendo and Fuyu maybe try to stop them but nope, all their shit was pointless in the end too.
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Postby CJD » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:04 pm

Worst ending in my opinion would be a kill'm all ending. And no, not in the EoE Kill'm all sense. In the "dead for good the end" sense.

View Original PostGiji Shinka wrote:Worst case scenario would be: Anno dying before finishing 4.0.


As if Anno can die. He sustains himself on our tears. As long as Eva fans are butthurt, Anno will survive.
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Postby Ray » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:18 pm

@Nem Z

That's the Time Loop variant of the Dieu Ex Machina ending.

I wouldn't mind a Dieu ex machina ending if it was handled well enough, or used as a metaphor for a religious experience or something along those lines.

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He's an artist, and as such it's hard to predict what will happen to him in the future.

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Postby Stillborn » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:39 pm

My version of worst ending?

Shinji achieving his catharsis in which he realises, how utterly unimportant and meaningless his life and happiness is in grand scheme of things and starts to live according to others expectations of him, not dearing to dream or having his own desires, much less act upon them since everything till now proved, that whatever he wants is bad. So he will live sustaining himself on emotional scraps and occasional pity, looked down upon and never able to be equal to others or fulfill something that he wants instead of something he is told that he wants.

And we would be told that he is happy with that.
In other words, Anno succeeds in conditioning him through torture and trauma, so that he would be satisfied with whatever scrap he is tossed. So he could say that Shinji is happy. And Anno will call this character developement.

And we will be told that way "If you are in Shinji's circumstances, sucks to be you. Be happy with whatever we spare you and don't bother us, more sucessfull people with your problems. If we show you our attention, its a privilage to you."

Which will probably insult both Shinji and a lot of people like Shinji which will most likely please Anno.
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