The New Nerv Logo (Plus a possible solution?)

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The New Nerv Logo (Plus a possible solution?)

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Postby Merkaba » Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:26 am

I thought I recalled seeing a thread about Nerv's new logo, but when I tried finding it by scanning down all the possible topics, I couldn't find it.

Regardless, I had a thought (and forgive me if this has already been discussed/attempted)...

Has anyone tried scanning any of the four small squares in the lower left-hand corner as if they are QR codes? I don't have any device that can do such a thing, but it struck me as odd that they so closely resemble the viral marketing squares.

(Again, sorry if this has been discussed, attempted and/or failed.)

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Postby Shinoyami65 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:44 am

Well, me and Nuclear Lunchbox got into a small argument about Nerv's logo in NME in another thread, and we got this nice high-res image of it:

View Original PostNuclear Lunchbox wrote:No, the old pre-timeskip Nerv logo looks like this:
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Although I still fail to see why Nerv has a new logo but continues to use their old NGE logo everywhere else:

View Original PostShinoyami65 wrote:But they also used the old NGE Nerv logo in 1.0, such as in this shot of the hatch that opens on the surface when Eva-01 is being launched to face Sachiel:

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And also in 3.0 on Pre-3I signs, such as Blood type's reference pic and here:

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Postby Rodeo » Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:53 am

I saw something about this on /a/.
The four squares were taken from the background in this shot:
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Postby Merkaba » Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:21 pm

Shino: I was referring to this one.

[url]https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/426519_258563020943316_1671116980_n.jpg[/url]

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Postby Shinoyami65 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:37 pm

Oh I see. Sorry.
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Postby Merkaba » Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:06 pm

View Original PostShinoyami65 wrote:Oh I see. Sorry.


No worries. :) I later went back and reread my comment, and it came across much harsher than I intended. Sorry for sounding like a dick!

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Postby driftking18594 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:02 pm

Imagine parking your car on one of those elevator gates. :lol:

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Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:16 pm

^That would be why it says "Keep Clear" on top of it. And even then, your car may fall in if Nerv decides to detonate some explosive bolts right next to your truck and drop massive chunks of the city.

As per to the logo, the part where the famous slogan used to be looks like a popular game called Tanagrams. I'm not sure how much significance this has, though. As to the marks in the lower left hand corner, they look like the traditional seals that Japanese and Chinese artists would stamp the lower left corners of their paintings with. I actually own one myself with my Chinese name engraved into it.

In my opinion, it looks like a child played around with the logo. I'm not sure what to make of it, but it does look very futuristic and Blade Runner-ish.

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Postby Ornette » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:56 pm

There wasn't a dedicated thread for the new logo, it was brought up in the Film Info thread. It's not q QR code and like it's mentioned here:

http://forum.evageeks.org/post/588999/SPOILERS-4th-Film-Info-READ-OP-Speculation/#588999

Those little boxes kind of look like what's on the walls from several scenes in the 3.0 preview.

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Postby K40s » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:36 pm

the new nerv logo looks like a puzzle, maybe putting together or rotating the pieces forms the half leaf?

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Postby Shinoyami65 » Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:32 am

Come to think of it, why does Nerv need three different logos? I don't think there'd be many graphic designers around after 3I...maybe that's why it looks somewhat childish?
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Postby robersora » Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:35 am

View Original PostShinoyami65 wrote:Come to think of it, why does Nerv need three different logos? I don't think there'd be many graphic designers around after 3I...maybe that's why it looks somewhat childish?


You think? To me it looks very stylish and slick, if a little hard to decipher.
Oh, and you should have realized by now, that applying logic into the Eva-verse is never a good idea...

Or, Gendou and Fuyutsuki hat fourteen years time, they clearly got bored, which is the reason that they made a little drawing party. This is the best they could come up with. :lol:
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Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:12 pm

View Original PostK40s wrote:The new Nerv logo looks like a puzzle, maybe putting together or rotating the pieces forms the half leaf?


View Original PostNuclear Lunchbox wrote:As per to the logo, the part where the famous slogan used to be looks like a popular game called Tangrams.

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Postby Reichu » Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:41 pm

View Original PostRodeo wrote:I saw something about this on /a/.
The four squares were taken from the background in this shot:
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These are the "runes" that appear on the Angel-sealing pillars.
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Postby TheFriskyIan » Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:37 pm

View Original Postrobersora wrote:Or, Gendou and Fuyutsuki hat fourteen years time, they clearly got bored, which is the reason that they made a little drawing party. This is the best they could come up with. :lol:

They were teaching Rei Q about Art, then realized they knew nothing about it themselves, this was their interpretation of Art through the logo. I bet both of them failed Drawing & Painting in High School.
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Postby Yokai » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:36 am

I think all signs point to Fuyutsuki making the new design -- it doesn't really seam like Gendo's forte.

I'm guessing the idea of the new Nerv logo is to illustrate that Nerv has been "scrambled" so to speak. The red part very clearly resembles a more polygonal representation of the classic nerv leaf. I think the intent of making it rough was to imply that Nerv headquarters has lost it's shape but still composed of it's fundamental essentials -- minus the scrambled bits (Misato, Ritsuko, Whoever else left to join in on the whole Wunder crap.)

I'm not sure there's a real meaning in the plot -- besides just looking new... That could be said about the whole movie if it weren't for fanwanking though, right?

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Postby ElMariachi » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:14 am

Personnally I think the explanation of the new logo come from a more meta level : by changing NERV logo, Anno emphasized on how much this NERV is nothing like the old NERV we knew in NGE and 1.0 and 2.0.
Whereas NERV in NGE and the first half of RoE was an organisation with good intentions(protection of mankind), but led by evil people(SEELE + Gendo), now NERV is an evil organisation on it's own right.

As for the polygonal representation of the leaf, giving it an "8-bit" effect, it represents how inhuman and cold NERV has become : so far his members consists of
- Gendo, who sports the same visor as Kheele and maybe some other cybernetic implants,
- Kaworu, an Angel in human form
- ReiQ, a clone without personnality(at least at first...)
- Fuyutsuki, the only one "human" left.
- maybe we could include Shinji, who at this point is more of walking sack of trauma tethering on madness and ready to explode at any moment than a mormal human being(if he's still human at all, with the 14 spent fused with EVA-01 core...)

And NERV's minions consists of artificial robot-Angels and MP-EVAs, while most the members with some human emotions(namely ReiQ, Kaworu and Shinji) deserted at first opportunity.
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Postby Koishiro » Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:38 pm

View Original PostYokai wrote:(...)I think the intent of making it rough was to imply that Nerv headquarters has lost it's shape but still composed of it's fundamental essentials (...)


Hmm... I think you are quite right here.

I just noticed that each Nerv logo seems pretty much attached with the movies:
- Old classic logo, 1.0 (movie is the same as NGE, minimal changes)
- Modernized logo, 2.0 (movie change a lot, but preserves the NGE essence)
- Puzzled logo, 3.0 (movie barely share any resemblance with NGE)

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Re: About the new Nerv logo...

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Postby Reichu » Fri May 29, 2020 1:35 pm

Bumping to share some cool findings.

I was looking at the "Tokyo-3" fig leaf logo and realized it resembled somebody we know. (I'll look at this comparison more closely here another time.)

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It only then, for the first time ever, occurred to me that the fig leaf in the regular Nerv logo had been redesigned from the NGE version. (In other words, making it look more like Mark.06 may have entirely been the point.)

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This is part of a page from the 1.0 CRC. I'm not sure if the version with the apple is ever seen in the movies, but the apple-free variant beneath it does appear many times. See here for example:

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Curiously, the "apple-peel" variant that does show up in the films has its own unique version of the fig leaf, one that's distinct from the Tokyo-III logo and "plain Nerv logo":

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Logically, this reappraisal of the Nerv logos would eventually take me to the Neo-Nerv logo:

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In what seems to be a running theme, the fig leaf is redesigned yet again, for what makes the third unique variation in the films. At this point Blue Basilisk reminded me that the logo resembles a tangram -- and indeed so, to the point that it's comprised of seven distinct pieces. With seven being such a significant number in these films, that made the puzzle all the more alluring. I decided to try my hand at it.

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This first step looks rather silly, but already it's helped to clarify what the end game is.

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I think it can still use a bit of fine-tuning, but chances seem good that the Neo-Nerv logo is supposed to be Eva-01/Eva-13. They would provide rather fitting accompaniment to Mark.06, since both of them are identified with sin. (Eva-01 awakens to "Sin From Genesis", and see also Kaworu's speech about sin in Q; Eva-13 reenacts the Garden of Eden story in Q.)
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Re: The New Nerv Logo (Plus a possible solution?)

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Postby deeRez » Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:53 am

I keep thinking how it looks like a scrambling algorithm that rotates, flips horizontally, vertically, or negates pixels,
but applied to only a section of an image instead of the whole thing.

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I decided to zero in on the scrambled section while keeping the rest the same.
I see a ~3.5x2 sized block of tiles going left to right overlapped with a block of tiles going up and down.

And the blocks seem to have an interesting "negated" look to them half-way through them.
We've seen them use the negating effect before:
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So I decided to play around with it, but didn't find anything conclusive:
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I was thinking playing around with it would lead to a stylized NERV using 2x2 tiles per letter.

Or maybe it already spells out NERV but while being entirely abstract:
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But there are also anomalies that point to it being a shifting/sliding type puzzle.

Firstly, if we assume it's two overlapping ~3.5x2 blocks that are scrambled, but the rest is untouched,
then why is the bottom of the leaf unaligned:
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And then there's the size of the blocks themselves which do not match in length between them, which is a problem because scrambling tends to operate on square tiles which would lead to matching dimensions but here we don't see that:
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Finally, looking at the tiles within the blocks, we see the tiles don't align to a 3x2 block.
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It's for these reasons, unless someone sees something I'm not seeing, I don't think the logo uses a scrambling algorithm. It's more than likely as originally suspected, a tangram. Though I still wonder if the N and V coming through from the countours in the blocky area of the logo is a coincidence.
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