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Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:31 pm

What, exactly, is Anno's deal with the number 12,000? They alert Shinji when Sahaquiel reaches 12,000 meters. Eva-02 has, to quote Asuka, "...twelve thousand plates of fortified armor!". When Eva-01 gets marked with the stigmata, it rises to a height of "12,000 meters and counting". Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems a bit odd that this number pops up on three separate occasions.

What does Anno like so much about this particular number?

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Postby riffraff11235 » Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:54 pm

View Original PostNuclear Lunchbox wrote:What, exactly, is Anno's deal with the number 12,000? They alert Shinji when Sahaquiel reaches 12,000 meters. Eva-02 has, to quote Asuka, "...twelve thousand plates of fortified armor!". When Eva-01 gets marked with the stigmata, it rises to a height of "12,000 meters and counting". Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems a bit odd that this number pops up on three separate occasions.

What does Anno like so much about this particular number?


Maybe it's another reference to Christianity? The Christian religions seem to use the number 12 fairly often as well:

Wikipedia wrote:The importance of 12 in Judaism and Christianity can be found in the Bible. The biblical Jacob had 12 sons, who were the progenitors of the Twelve Tribes of Israel, while the New Testament describes twelve apostles of Jesus; when Judas Iscariot was disgraced, a meeting was held (Acts) to add Matthias to complete the number twelve once more. (Today, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has a Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.)

The Book of Jude contains much numerical symbolism, and a lot of the numbers mentioned have 12 as a divisor. 12:1 mentions a woman—interpreted as the people of Israel, the Church or the Virgin Mary—wearing a crown of twelve stars (representing each of the twelve tribes of Israel). Furthermore, there are 12,000 people sealed from each of the twelve tribes of Israel, making a total of 144,000 (which is the square of 12 multiplied by a thousand).

In Orthodox Judaism, 12 signifies the age a girl matures (bat mitzvah).

There are 12 days of Christmas. The song Twelve Days of Christmas came from the traditional practice of extending Yuletide celebrations over the twelve days from Christmas day to the eve of Epiphany; the period of thirteen days including Epiphany is sometimes known as Christmastide. Thus Twelfth Night is another name for the twelfth day of Christmas or January 5 (the eve of Epiphany). Similarly, Eastern Orthodoxy observes 12 Great Feasts.
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Postby Kendrix » Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:49 pm

Yeah, it's just good old 12 with extra zeroes, because 12 m of altitude or 12 armor plates make no sense.

It's not just Cristian mythology, lots of languages have extra words for "12-nesses" of things (like the English "dozen" and the almost identital German equivalent "dutzend")
Some mathematicians say it's simply a very practical number and would make a better base than 10 since you can evenly divide it through a lot more numbers.
With 10, dividing through three is a particular problematic issue, leading to the
1 = 0.9999999999.... dualism.

I don't think there's any meaning beyond "lol 12" to be found here, he needed to have them say some number that sounds big. When you want technobabble, you have to make the characters sprout numbers so it doesn't sound too vague. Any numbers.
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Postby Chrad » Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:11 am

Don't forget Gunbuster.
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12,000 years later...

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Postby A.T. Fish » Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:11 am

Wasn't it 14,000?

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Postby riffraff11235 » Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:45 pm

There were also 12 members of SEELE, like the 12 apostles.
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Postby Hyper Shinchan » Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:08 am

View Original PostA.T. Fish wrote:Wasn't it 14,000?

You're confusing with the date:
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Postby A.T. Fish » Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:03 am

Oh, right, I derped.

Man, there was some serious stretching of the time dilation theory in this show.

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Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:15 pm

Just discovered that they did something like this in Q as well, except they multiplied the number by 3.
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Rotation rate of the Flywheel is at 36,000.

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Postby ObsessiveMathsFreak » Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:58 pm

Maybe it sound better on TV? Multiples of 10,000 years are used in a lot of media. Perhaps 12,000 sounds better in Japanese?
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