Shinji and fuyutsuki interactions

[pioneer]

do they ever interact? does fuyutsuki interact with anyone besides gendo and seele? i know there's the episode where he sees the bridge bunnies on the train, but other than that, does he talk to anyone?

[Guy Nacks]

They don't interact with each other in the series proper.

Supplemental stuff......well........that's a whole other story:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r26VFYHj1dY


Actually the only time i can remember that comes close is when Fuyutsuki reprimands Shinji and Asuka in ep. 9 after the disastrous first battle, but that's it.

[Sachi]

Actually the only time i can remember that comes close is when Fuyutsuki reprimands Shinji and Asuka in ep. 9 after the disastrous first battle, but that's it.

This is the only instance I can recall as well, other than some meta-sequences in EoTV. I don't think Shinji ever actually acknowledges Fuyutsuki's existence in the series; a shame when considering Fuyutsuki's unique relationship with the Ikari family. A conversation between these two would be great.

[JoeD80]

It's interesting because when Shinji wants to know about his father and asks Kaji about it, Kaji even says something along the lines of "Fuyutsuki is the one who knows your father" but Shinji doesn't bother following up on this.

[Guy Nacks]

It's interesting because when Shinji wants to know about his father and asks Kaji about it, Kaji even says something along the lines of "Fuyutsuki is the one who knows your father" but Shinji doesn't bother following up on this.

This to me kinda stuck out as one of the biggest missed opportunities in the series and a scene that I always wanted to see, because it would shed more light on Fuyutsuki's character, his relationship/thoughts about Shinji, etc. It would maybe have provided Shinji with the one of the best people he could have connected with, because honestly Fuyutsuki is one of the most level-headed, characters in the series.

ons Fanwanking cap:

maybe Fuyutsuki avoided interacting with Shinji because he was living proof that the woman he loved preferred another man? I still think that it couldn't have hurt for Anno to include a scene with them interacting on some level, but who knows?

The same could also be said of the Bridge Bunnies having little to no contact with the pilots at all. There's a reason why these kinds of interaction scenes are included in so much fanfiction out there (because they're virtually non-existant in canon)....and also why they weren't included in the series. I can't say I know for sure what Anno was thinking, but taking my best guess, I'd say he did it deliberately to give Shinji/Asuka/Rei/etc. more of a sense of isolation and loneliness which would make their mental breakdowns more understandable.

Could he have given at least one bridge bunny or Fuyutsuki a scene with one of the pilots in some sort of pre-friendship conversation that would shed more light on their characters? Sure.

Could he have developed a friendship between them? Maybe. But for the series to still end the same way, that friendship would have to have been destroyed or Hyuga/Maya/Aoba/Fuyutsuki, whoever it was with, get killed in an attack or something.

Basically, for the series to end the way that it did, Shinji had to have pretty much no lifelines left, thus Anno just decided to give him as few as possible while the series ran its course.

[Fireball]

This made me thinking. What if....WHAT IF Fuyutsuki actually never existed or was long dead and was just a sad projection of Gendo's imagination. Kind of like an imaginary friend created from his repressed lone subconsciousness.

[Lurkis]

This made me thinking. What if....WHAT IF Fuyutsuki actually never existed or was long dead and was just a sad projection of Gendo's imagination. Kind of like an imaginary friend created from his repressed lone subconsciousness.

Sarcasm yes?

[riffraff11235]

This made me thinking. What if....WHAT IF Fuyutsuki actually never existed or was long dead and was just a sad projection of Gendo's imagination. Kind of like an imaginary friend created from his repressed lone subconsciousness.

We see Fuyutsuki interact with people besides Gendou, namely Kaji and Seele, so I don't see where you're drawing this from. Unless you are indeed being sarcastic as Lurkis suggests.

[Fireball]

Yeah, you guys still need to stick around a bit longer :P

[Tribblepoo]

I have a feeling this one might have been deliberately avoided by Anno. However, the reasons for it are vague at best and could range anywhere from run time considerations to some obscure subtext that someone has probably already fanwanked.

[The Eva Monkey]

do they ever interact? does fuyutsuki interact with anyone besides gendo and seele? i know there's the episode where he sees the bridge bunnies on the train, but other than that, does he talk to anyone?

I don't think that's as weird as the fact that Gendo and Asuka never interact once in the entire series.

[Kendrix]

It's also that while Kaji is a friend of his guardian's, and Rei is his coworker and classmate, Shinji has no pretext on which to speak to Fuyutsuki/question him about his father.
They don't really have much direct work with each other.

So Shinji would have to go and aproach that stern looking boss dude, and ask him an uncomfortable question. Doesn't sound like something Shinji would do.

That the children and the bridge bunnies or Fuyutsuki and the bridge bunnies have no scenes together isn't completely true - episode 11.
Maya and Aoba apparently admire him.

The children's reactions when "Oh, it's Hyuuga!" - It makes sense that they'd be on friendly terms with him since he's Misato's aide, so if they have direct contact with one of them, it's probably him.

Also, episode 12: "We can't pack up and flee when the Children are risking their lives!"

The truth is, why should they really interact much aside from being coworkers? Ultimately, both the Bridge Bunnies and Fuyutsuki are only supporting cast who exist solely so that Ritsuko, Misato and Gendo have someone to talk to.
That they even look like there's more interesting stories to tell about them speaks for the show's overall quality, I guess.

Also, this is a setting chock full with conspiracies, men behing the men and there's various layers of people knowing specific things... and those on the "lower" layers are manipulated by the higher ones without really seeing them.
there's the civilians like, say, Hikari, clever civilians who are good with Computers like Kensuke, the children, the normal NERV personel, and then there's the higher ups and they're all keeping secrets from each other.
Asuka never speaks to Gendo because she's just a mook in the big sceme of things, just like Shinji never meets Keel.
The protagonist never meets, never even learns of the existence of the main antagonist.
Let that sink in.

[JoeD80]

Shinji has no pretext on which to speak to Fuyutsuki/question him about his father.

Except if he had listened to Kaji as I said above.

That the children and the bridge bunnies or Fuyutsuki and the bridge bunnies have no scenes together isn't completely true - episode 11.
Maya and Aoba apparently admire him.

They didn't talk to him though.

[Reichu]

They didn't talk to him though.

There's a whole (4-person) conversation on the train.

SPOILER: Show

RITSUKO:
Hello, Vice Commander. Good morning, Sir.

IBUKI & AOBA:
Good morning, Sir!

FUYUTSUKI:
Morning.

RITSUKO:
You're quite early today.

FUYUTSUKI:
Well, I have to go up top in Ikari's place.

RITSUKO:
I see. Isn't today the City Council's regular meeting?

FUYUTSUKI:
It's a pointless job. Ikari has always thrust the sundry tasks onto me.
Without the Magi, I'd be lost.

RITSUKO:
Speaking of which, the city elections are approaching up there, right?

FUYUTSUKI:
The City Council is merely a shell.
The municipal government, after all, is in fact run by the Magi.

IBUKI:
The Magi? You mean the three supercomputers?

FUYUTSUKI:
Government by majority decision of three different computers.
It's a system that is properly in line with the fundamentals of democracy.

IBUKI:
And the council just obeys their decisions?

FUYUTSUKI:
It's a most efficient form of government.

IBUKI:
That's a city of science for you.
It's really an era where science reigns supreme.

AOBA:
Talk about an old-fashioned line.

FUYUTSUKI:
Come to think of it, you're running an experiment on Unit 00, aren't you?

RITSUKO:
Yes, we're going to run the second prolonged activation test at 10:30.

FUYUTSUKI:
I'm looking forward to good news.

[pioneer]

so i already knew about the train conversation. but, does fuyu ever talk directly to Misato? i'm not sure tbh

since fuyutsuki was one of the only people who presumably knew about gendo's real plans, i never really noticed that his role is actually pretty minimal.

regarding Asuka and gendo: it makes sense that gendo doesnt care at all about the pilots. moreover, the only times he talks to Misato are when he is giving her orders. ritsuko was essential for maintaining Rei, so that's why he would have any kind of relationship with her.

given aforementioned the lack of interactions in eva, it works that the protagonist never knows the antagonist. however, how well does seele know Shinji? i'm not sure what the consensus is on seele's involvement in Shinji's manipulation.

[user-02]

The protagonist never meets, never even learns of the existence of the main antagonist.
Let that sink in.

I don't mean to fork the thread and all, but is it totally fair to call Keel the "main antagonist" of the series? I mean, obviously he's the primary villain in an objective sense. But literary analysis usually defines the antagonist with respect to the protagonist. If Shinji is the protagonist, then Gendo is the primary antagonist for all intents and purposes. (One could also make a credible claim that Shinji is his own antagonist, of a sort).

This is similar to how, in the first two Star Wars films, Darth Vader is clearly the antagonist -- even though we learn that the Emperor is directing him from behind the scenes.

It's certainly possible to have a story in which protagonist and antagonist never interact (or in which the antagonist isn't a person at all, so much as a force or an idea). But the antagonist, by definition, must be working at opposition to the protagonist's goals and personal journey. At best, we can say that Keel's agenda is tangentially opposed to Shinji's -- but, for the most part, Keel and Shinji never really come into conflict.

[riffraff11235]

The protagonist never meets, never even learns of the existence of the main antagonist.
Let that sink in.

That's another element of the whole deconstruction thing, right?

[JoeD80]

There's a whole (4-person) conversation on the train.

Oh I forgot about that scene!

[Monk Ed]

FUYUTSUKI:
Government by majority decision of three different computers.
It's a system that is properly in line with the fundamentals of democracy.

I have always laughed at this line. Now I wonder... Was Fuyutsuki being sarcastic?

[Reichu]

I have always laughed at this line. Now I wonder... Was Fuyutsuki being sarcastic?

Fuyutsuki's not allowed to believe in a three-[s]party[/s]computer system?