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Postby NemZ » Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:46 am

[Split from Wunder thread. Struck-out text = not Germane to new thread.]

If I understand it correctly the collar was the reason for Shinji's zero synch rating, yes? [s]So if he's on the ship without one and it is indeed powered by 01, might some wild shenanigans ensue?[/s]
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Postby Shinoyami65 » Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:54 am

View Original PostNemZ wrote:If I understand it correctly the collar was the reason for Shinji's zero synch rating, yes? So if he's on the ship without one and it is indeed powered by 01, might some wild shenanigans ensue?


The collar's not the reason for Shinji's zero synch rating, it's meant to kill him if he enters God Mode. It doesn't actually affect a person's ability to synch with an Eva.
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Postby Reichu » Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:08 am

View Original PostShinoyami65 wrote:It doesn't actually affect a person's ability to synch with an Eva.

It's highly implied to have a synch-killing function. Maybe Kaworu can get around it, but that's because he's Kaworu.
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Postby LiLi » Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:44 am

View Original PostReichu wrote:It's highly implied to have a synch-killing function.


Where? Could you point me to the scene please?
Either way, I think the collar is not given as the reason he cannot synch with Eva 01. It seems their analysis showed that his synch ratio has dropped to Zero.
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Postby Reichu » Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:08 am

View Original PostLiLi wrote:Where? Could you point me to the scene please?

Eh, I could be wrong. Things just seem a bit fishy. Shinji could synch before the collar, and, after Kaworu takes it off, he's back to piloting Evas again. (Haven't seen the movie, so I don't know if this "analysis" took place before the collar was put on.)
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Postby Ornette » Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:31 am

There was a screen that described the DSS Collar, I can't remember what the acronym stood for, but I remember the "D" was an unusual word. Right afterwards (or was it right before?), they showed a sync display and some numbers were flying by before it concluded the sync rate was 0%. I don't know if anything was said specifically or not, but I just assumed it was connected.

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Postby xenosaga » Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:01 am

Sync thing seems interesting......I have question about the collar.

1. If I understand correctly Kaworu puts on the collar instead of Shinji? Is it just easy to take on/off? Kinda weird since I would assume Will-E would have made the collar not removable so Shinji can't take off the collar.

2. Does collar have any sort of tracking/identifying system? From what I read Misato sees Angel sign show up before she triggers?

3. And do we actually see Misato pulling the trigger when the collar explodes?
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Postby LiLi » Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:36 am

IIRC, DSS = Deification Shutdown System
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Postby Reichu » Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:56 am

If they're so worried about deification, they should put one of the things on Eva-01... :p
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Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:44 pm

View Original PostReichu wrote:If they're so worried about deification, they should put one of the things on Eva-01... :p

Yes, but Anno would then proceed to lose money from lack of future Evangelion movies. This is impossible.

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Postby Reichu » Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:56 pm

View Original PostNuclear Lunchbox wrote:Yes, but Anno would then proceed to lose money from lack of future Evangelion movies. This is impossible.

Odds are Eva-01 wouldn't be too phased by the loss of her head. Which makes me wonder what the hell I was thinking when I made my previous post in this thread.
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Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:33 am

Killing things by decapitation seems to be a common theme in EoTV. Of note are Unit-02's death, Kaworu's death, Kyoko's death, the death of Asuka's doll, and Gendo's induction. The DSS appears to be simply playing off of this general theme.

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Postby slothen » Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:40 am

View Original Postxenosaga wrote:Sync thing seems interesting......I have question about the collar.

1. If I understand correctly Kaworu puts on the collar instead of Shinji? Is it just easy to take on/off? Kinda weird since I would assume Will-E would have made the collar not removable so Shinji can't take off the collar.

2. Does collar have any sort of tracking/identifying system? From what I read Misato sees Angel sign show up before she triggers?

3. And do we actually see Misato pulling the trigger when the collar explodes?


1. Kaworu is magic. That's how he fixed the SDAT.

2. Yup

3. Nope. Some have said Gendo set it off which doesn't make much sense either. I was watching the camrip, so I couldn't really tell, I assumed Kaworu had set it off himself, because you know, Kaworu.
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Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:41 am

I believe the collar exploded due to the recognition of a pattern blue type.

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Postby Reichu » Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:53 am

View Original PostNuclear Lunchbox wrote:Killing things by decapitation seems to be a common theme in EoTV.

EoTV is "End of TV (Series)", i.e., the original episodes 25 and 26.

(And Eva-02 was only decapitated in episode 19. Didn't die; she got better.)

View Original PostNuclear Lunchbox wrote:I believe the collar exploded due to the recognition of a pattern blue type.

If so, there is a hell of an unexplained delay.
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Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:56 am

View Original PostReichu wrote:EoTV is "End of TV (Series)", i.e., the original episodes 25 and 26.

Whoops! My bad there.

As to your quote about the collar delay, just remember that Anno needs more cash. Constantly. I think he eats the stuff for breakfast.

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Postby Shinoyami65 » Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:08 am

View Original PostReichu wrote:If they're so worried about deification, they should put one of the things on Eva-01... :p


Well, Eva-01 being what she is, they probably don't have enough explosives to penetrate her ATF and god-knows-how-many layers of armor. At least not without blowing up the Wunder's power source and leaving them all falling to their doom. Shinji is vulnerable and human, so it makes more sense to put a DSS choker on him.

Are there any pics of the choker itself, or info on how it explodes? I can't picture such a thin choker holding enough punch to make Kaworu go splat completely.
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Postby Darkwing » Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:57 am

View Original PostNuclear Lunchbox wrote:Whoops! My bad there.

As to your quote about the collar delay, just remember that Anno needs more cash. Constantly. I think he eats the stuff for breakfast.

It's the diamond ponies he buys his wife. Their not statues either. Their real living horses made out of diamonds.

On a more serious note Wille doesn't want to blow up Unit-01. They need it to power Wunder. That's what they went into space for. Shinji is just an unfortunate byproduct to them.
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Postby Shinoyami65 » Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:53 am

View Original PostDarkwing wrote:It's the diamond ponies he buys his wife. Their not statues either. Their real living horses made out of diamonds.


Ahh, Borderlands 2. Getting back on topic, do we have any clues as to how the collar is detonated? I've heard rumours of a trigger Misato presses, some sort of Pattern Blue detection system and such, but no actual evidence from the film to support what exactly causes the collar to go kabloom.
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Postby Mbryo » Sun Jan 13, 2013 9:47 am

View Original PostReichu wrote:If they're so worried about deification, they should put one of the things on Eva-01... :p


A missile at nosetip couldn't make a scratch on Eva 02........... And probably 01 could regrow her head in her awakened state (like 09)
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