riffraff11235 wrote:Great job, ElMariachi! Some really great confirmations here, especially the part about "Infinity". I just had one small gripe with one of your translations:
Italian has a similar verb, "sopportare", but in this context it doesn't translate to "support". (False cognates FTL....) Here, it means something along the lines of "to bear" or "to stand". So I would translate the line as "I couldn't bear to see it all start anew," or something similar.
You're right, "bear" convey much better the sense of her phrase, I'm going to make the correction.
EDIT : OK ladies and gentlemen, time for part 2 and 3 of my notes of the French subs of Evangelion!
2/ Interesting terms and phrasings picked up* First, not a traduction, but something that I could clearly hear thanks to the better quality sound of the theater : when Shinji and Misato are in Lilith's Chamber in 1.0, you can hear on the background the sound of a loud breathing and an heavy heartbeat. Well that exact same sound can be hear around the LCL vat were Rei is occasionally seen chilling, whether it's in 2.0 or 3.0.
The AAA Wunder also have a similar heavy breathing and loud heartbeat background noise after it's powered by EVA-01, albeit the sound is slightly different than with Lilith's Chamber and the LCL Vat, in the Wunder the breathing is more acute.
The notes on part 2 will follow a chronological order, with sometimes some mentions of things that happened before or will happen after when it's relevant.
* EVA'-02 is called
EVA 02 Améliorée, meaning
EVA 02 Upgraded/Enhanced* When Asuka make her first sortie with the WILLE armor and lamented that it was a lame sortie, she continued with
Je venais juste de la faire nettoyer! :
I had just made it cleaned!.
The way it's phrased, it imply that it was not the "Gamma" version's first sortie, and that Asuka had just made it cleaned after a previous operation when she had to go out to dirty it again. That line imply that some time passed between the tesseract falling on Earth and Shinji awaking in the Wunder(maybe days, or even weeks, who know)
Of ranks : * Sakura is designed as a Second Lieutenant, both when Ritsuko talk to her and when Sakura formally present herself to Shinji.
* Misato is designed as Captain through the whole movie... except in two occasions when she's called Colonel : when Asuka leave the interrogation room, and Gendo at the end when talking about Misato's involvment in 4I going according to the plan.
It could be that Misato effectively is a Colonel, and the Wunder's Captain, as it was theorized in a topic dedicated to the subject, but it could also be Asuka that wanted to drive a point home to Misato by calling her by her old rank at NERV(to warn her to don't go soft on Shinji just because it's been 14 years since they last saw him), and Gendo who don't know that Misato's new rank is Captain(or didn't care).
* Ritsuko's rank is designed as "C2", the closest thing I could thing corresponding is the term second-in-command (2i/c or 2IC) used in the Royal Navy. My take is that C2 means
"Commandant en second",
"Second in Command", a rather convoluted way to say "Vice-Captain" if you ask me.
* Asuka's line to Shinji about how in this new world they don't have the luxury of worrying about the life of just one person if much harsher in the French version :
Une vie ne vaut rien dans ce monde,
One life is worth nothing in this world.Ouch! And that's not even her harsher line(see later)
* The "ADAM's Vessel" is called
"Vaisseau d'ADAM", which means
"ADAM's Vessel"... but "Vaisseau" in French only convey the sense of "ship", not "recipient", so another English translation would be
"Ship of ADAM"* When looking at Mark.09 flying away with Shinji through a trap in the Wunder's roof, Asuka's line is very different from the GitHub translation :
What do you know.
He's not even an idiot.
He's just a brat!Quand il agit comme ça,
il est plus un égoïste qu'un idiot!When he acts like that,
he's more an egoist than an idiot!According to my sister, a student on Japanese, the term used by Asuka, "gaki", has a double meaning : a kid and a selfish, because kids are considered as intrinsically selfish. A good translation in English is "brat", used by GitHub, but the French language don't have a term that convey this double meaning, so the translators settled by the "egoistic" meaning, probably the tendency to egotism is one of Shinji's main trait and his greatest flaw, which will be very relevant at the scene with the spears.
I also want to note that Asuka will continue to use
égoïste for the whole movie, only one calling him a child during their fight in Lilith's Chamber(see bellow)
* When Shinji arrives in neo-NERV HQ and meet his father for the first(and only) time in 14 years, Gendo calls EVA-13
"l'Evangelion Unité 13",
the Evangelion Unit 13, the same way EVA-01 or 02 where walled Eva Unit 01 or Unit 02, so no "Evangelion 13" special designation for it here, despite what the booklet said.
* When arriving in the bottom of Central Dogma with EVA-13, Kaworu calls the place
"L'origine du '3rd Impact'",
"The origin of 3rd Impact".
Here there is no place for any ambiguity as with the term epicenter : in French Kaworu clearly says that 3rd Impact originated here, in Lilith's Chamber. A big proof that Shinji awakening EVA-01 in 2.0 is
not what destroyed the world!
*
Kaworu : Yes, the Eva Mark.06. Remodeled into an autonomous type, exploitation by the Lilin brought the unit to this state of ruin.Oui, c'est l'Eva Mark.06, triste fin pour elle qui a été automatisée par les Lilin.Yes, it's Eve Mark.06, sad end for her which has been automated by the Lilin.I admit that I don't exactly remember the phrase said by Kaworu, but I just found it interesting how he qualified the end of Mark.06 as "sad". It implies that he had some attachment to it, which could be understandable if it was his original body as ADAM.
*
Asuka : You really *are* a little brat.(when Shinji told her that he don't want to cause 3I again, but want to fix everything with the spears)
Tu n'est qu'un gamin naïf et egoïste.You're just a naive and egoistic kid.I would want to draw your attention on the use of the word "naive" : that clearly establish that Asuka thinks that Shinji is being manipulated and lied to about the spears, so she must know that pulling out the spears will only lead to a catastrophe. That changes many things : first it help establish everyone's responsibility in the events in the chambers : yes Shinji lost his mind and pulled the spears even though Kaworu(and Asuka) were begging him to stop... but Asuka did have information that Shinji didn't and didn't bothered to tell him, and instead directly goes into killing mode. As for Kaworu, or WILLE knew that the LoC had morphed into a LoL(and that the reset option is not possible anymore) from some time before Kaworu... or even with the two different spears Instrumentality would have happened, Kaworu knew this and manipulated Shinji.(maybe Kaworu that Instrumentality would bring Shinji the happiness he desired)
It's also the only time in the movie where Asuka calls Shinji a kid(in the French version at least)
Anyway, it's another glaring example of one of 3.0's main themes : the ravages of the lack of communication(accidental like when WILLE got their briefing to Shinji interrupted by Mark.09, deliberate with Gendo and tragic by Asuka's unwillingness to explain and later Shinji's refusal to listen), I hope that in FINAL Shinji and Asuka will take the opportunity to have a long conversation and tell one each others what they know and what they feel, because if everyone keep jumping to conclusion and not wanting to listen to others, the situation is bound to end in a "Komm Susser Tod"...
*
Mari : You should get out of there before you turn into an Adams' Vessel.Tu devrais partir d'ici d'ici avant de finir absorbée par le Vaisseau d'ADAM.You should get out of there before you get absorbed by the ADAM's Vessel.Here Mari implies that Mark.09 has the nasty habit to absorb it's pilot, that's the only way I could see to explain how Mari could know what kind of risks Rei is incurring, maybe that already happened to previous Reis while they where fighting WILLE during the past 14 years.
But anyway this line is much clearer that the cryptic "turning into an Adams' Vessel"
*
Mari : Your original was a lot friendlier, you know.On s'entendais bien mieux avec l'original.We got along much better with the originalHere Mari is including more persons than herself, in my opinion that support the theory that Mari was talking about Rei II and not Yui.
* Remember when I said that Asuka's line about one life not being worth anything was not her harshest? Well here is her harshest point :
Asuka : Go down already, bratty Shinji!Tais-toi et laisses moi te tuer, Shinji l'égoïste!Shut-up and let me kill you, Shinji the egoistic!Yep, they had the same interpretation than the infamous "Shut-up and die, brat Shinji!" line from the UTW sub...
*
Shinji : We can't stop now, Kaworu-kun! Remember why we came all the way here?On ne peut plus reculer après avoir fait tout ce chemin!We can't back down after making it this far!Shinji's line seems a little less egoistic, and a little more desperate, like he's really backed against a corner, which is understandable if we take into account Asuka's line just above showing that Asuka is really hell bent on killing them! It serves to reinforce the complete tragedy of how miscommunication led them to killing one each other.
Mari : Plus, we don't know *what* might happen once the final Angel is defeated. Troubling, isn't it?De plus, je suis curieuse de voir ce qui va se passer une fois que l'Ange final est détruit.Plus, I'm curious to see what will happen once the final Angel is destroyed.Like Asuka's killing intent, the French subs have the same interpretation than the UTW one : Mari is actually
eager to see what would happen after the 12th Angel is defeated. Also notes that her eagerness only lasts during less than one minute, until the moment the DSS CHoker detect a pattern blue belonging to a possible 13rd Angel, at which point she start worrying and understand that it's Gendo's plan, not SEELE's (
"So this is what Gendo-kun was aiming for.")
*
Gendo : you are still creatures blessed with the Fruit of Knowledge.(during his final meeting with SEELE)
vous êtes des créatures ayant consommé du Fruit Interdityou are creatures who consumed of the Forbidden FruitWell, Forbidden Fruit could be a metaphor for the Fruit of Knowledge, since that's how it was called by God in the Bible, the forbidden fruit that Adam and Eva mustn't eat.
*
SEELE-01 : Our wishes have come to fruition.Nos objectifs on déjà été accomplis.Our objectives have already been completed.It can be interpreted similarly than in the English subs, that they are confident that Gendo will finish the scenario and that they leave the keys to him, and died not knowing that he tricked them... but it could also be interpreted as SEELE knowing that Gendo is double-crossing them, and SEELE-01 is subtly telling that they don't care since they already took their precautions(Shinji as the "back-up"? Mark.09 programmed to go into pseudo-evolved mode at the same time EVA-13 awakes and hack the Wunder? Both?)
*
Mari : It's one of the surviving Adams!C'est un ADAM laissé en arrièreIt's an ADAM left behind!The phrasing is different, but the sense is the same : EVA-13 is confirmed as being one of the four ADAMs.
*
Kaworu : Shinji-kun, you just need to find peace and a place to call your own. Fate will surely guide you.Shinji, à présent tu a besoin de trouver un endroit où te reposer et à toi. Les liens qui t'entravent t'y emmèneront.Shinji, now you need to find a place to rest and to call yours. The ties that shackles you will take you there.So the subs version made it clearer that this "place to call your own" is just somewhere to let him recover from this nightmarish day. Another thing interesting is the
"liens qui t'entravent" bit : the meaning of the verb used(
entraver) is very precise and design something that impedes something or someone. So by using that phrasing, Kaworu implies that the "ties" that will take him to that place to rest will do it against his will... which is exactly what Asuka will do later!
So or Kaworu saw EVA-02 self-destruct and Asuka eject, and know both Asuka and Shinji to know that their ties are still strong enough so that Asuka will search for Shinji and lead him to safety, whether he want it or not, or the guy is fucking prescient, which I wouldn't rule out(or a time looper...)
If we take his foreshadowing to the end, then the place where Asuka, will lead him is where Shinji will find rest, peace and hope, so or they end in a place when Shinji can rest instead of being picked up by the Lilin, or they get picked up sent to a WILLE base/the Wunder being repaired and supplied in a Lilin settlement, which will be the place where Shinji will recover. There is also the possibility that these "ties that shackle him" include Misato, which once recuperating Shinji and seeing his destroyed mental state, will send him somewhere else, since neo-NERV don't seem to have any use for him anymore... reinforcing the idea that even in that nightmarish future, Shinji still have people who care for him(Misato and Asuka), who formed bonds with him 14 years ago that still exists, and thus he shouldn't abandon hope yet.
*
Fuyutsuki : Nearly everything went as Seele had intended.C'est presqu'exactement ce que Seele voulait.That's almost exactly what Seele wanted.Fuyu said more or less the thing in the French and English version, although taking into account SEELE-01's last words that their objectives were already accomplished, maybe what Fuyu meant is that, baring Kaworu's death and EVA-13 deactivating(closing the Door of Guf before Instrumentality could begin), everything else was part of SEELE's ritual, including the Black Moon emerging from the ground and the Door of Guf opening to that weird giant sphere surrounded by tesseracts. Even if both the spears where LoL. So maybe all what SEELE wanted was to bring forth Instrumentality and only needed a LoL, or two, or a LoC with it, while Kaworu explicitly wanted to have a LoL
and a LoC, maybe he wanted to repair the world with the LoC while bringing Instrumentality(and what he perceived being Shinji's happiness) with the LoL, but Gendo's trickery destroyed his plans.
*
Gendo : Captain Katsuragi's actions are also within expectations.Le Colonel Katsuragi a également agi suivant le plan.Colonel Katsuragi's actions also followed the plan.Here Gendo flat-out said that Misato's actions weren't within the possibilities, but that he actually planned that she will act like act, WILLE was as much a pawn in the plan than Shinji or Kaworu. Which is kinda logical when you think about it : his plan had two crucial points : that Shinji pulls out the spears no matter what happens( which Gendo is implied to have made sure of by breaking him mentally from behind the scenes) and that EVA-13 is ultimately stopped after its awakening but before it can launch Instrumentality. Mark.09 is still a SEELE machine, even if it's a pilot loyal to Gendo who pilot it, so Gendo was not safe from some nasty surprises from SEELE, like when it had gone into autopilot to hack the Wunder(and that's it if he didn't actually already knew about this backdoor program), so having other people ready to do anything it takes to stop EVA-13 was necessary, and WILLE, with two EVA piloted by veterans and a fully powered AAA Wunder, all provided. All according to the plan.
*
Asuka : You didn't come to help me. Only thinking about yourself, as usual. You think you can get away with everything if you don't say a word.Tu n'as pas bougé le petit doigt pour m'aider. Tu ne penses qu'à toi et penses que te renfermer est la solution.You didn't lifted a finger to help me. You only think about yourself and think that closing yourself is the solution.Here, instead of being a rant of how Shinji is prostrated in his entry plug instead of helping her, it looks like she's berating him for his attitude in general, his tendency to only think about how things affects him and to close himself to everything and everyone when things don't go the way he wants. Actually, it looks like Asuka really tough a lot about Shinji's character and behavior during the past 14 years, to the point that she's now able to give a fairly accurate portraying of Shinji's main flaws. That's not something you came up with with just a conversation in an interrogation room and a fight, she probably though a lot about Shinji, especially why he acted the way he did 14 years ago, ready to sacrifice the world to save Rei(and why he wasn't ready to do the same for her?). Well if that's the case, then Asuka is bound to be Shinji's warrior therapist for FINAL, meaning a lot of interactions between them!
* Asuka calls the "The L Barrier density" at the end
"Champs de Rétention L",
L Retention Field .
So this mysterious barrier is a field that retain something coded "L", now it remains to be seen what this "L" stands for : LCL? Lilin?
* To finish, something that I think will please more than one member here : in the preview for FINAL : EVA 8+2 was called
"Eva 08 et 02",
EVA 08 and 02, meaning that there is hope that the monstrosity that is "FrankenEva" is actually just a visual metaphor for EVA-02 and EVA-08 fighting alongside a la "Both of you, dance like you want to win"!
Well, it's 1:30 am here in France, so sorry guys but part 3 will have to wait for tomorrow, but I think you will have enough to work and fanwank with all this new material!
So as Kaji would said : "God leck!"
Thank yooou, thank you thank you thank you. For bonus points, how 'bout including a link to that thread too in your post? 
EDIT: Nevermind, I did it for you.
