Why do we hate Angelic Days Again?

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Why do we hate Angelic Days Again?

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Postby ONIAgent150 » Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:58 pm

So, I am working my way through the Angelic Days manga and frankly, I find it a disarmingly charming take on the alternate world Shinji saw in episode 26. However, every time I see it referenced here, the tone seems to be very negative. That even extends to other sites and blogs covering Eva. Now, keep in mind I only have read volumes 1 and then 5 (poor buying order), but aside from the art being messy (and it is SO messy), I can find little fault with it. What am I missing here?
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Postby KingXanaduu » Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:24 pm

Well, I can tell you that you're not alone on that view. I've read the manga myself, and I don't find anything particularly wrong with it. It's just your typical Eva Fluff Manga. It's decent, but hardly terrible. Though, I can't speak for everyone here, since no one has talked about it much.
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Postby child of Lilith » Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:27 pm

I'm also a non-hater. It's not great from what I remember, but I never felt the need to hate it. If it had tried to be more then it actually was then maybe I'd have found reason to hate it.
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Postby EvangelionFan » Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:28 pm

I like Angelic Days, I admit it has shortcomings but I haven't found reason to 'hate' it.
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Postby symbv » Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:29 pm

I think it is fine as a shoujo take of the Evangelion at School alternate world.

It is true that it is not much discussed, but you can find why some dislike it by going to this old thread:
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/2912/MANGA-GOS2-Angelic-Days-what-a-let-down/
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Postby hui43210 » Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:35 pm

i liked it, not too much wrong with it but I do like Campus ap and Shinji Raiseing Project(should be reciveing vol 10 tomorrow :w00:) better...
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Postby ONIAgent150 » Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:48 pm

I liked volume 5 that I personally would like to think of it as canon. It makes Gendo MUCH more human and illustrates just how different Shinji is from his father.
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Postby Reichu » Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:40 am

I hate it because they got the name wrong.
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Postby Hyper Shinchan » Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:45 am

View Original PostReichu wrote:I hate it because they got the name wrong.

They got the name right here in Italy but I still don't like it, because of the ugly drawing and the wrong pairing, actually other than that most characters just looked wrong to me.
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Postby AngelNo13Bardiel » Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:54 am

I didn't hate it. If the art were better, it would probably be sitting on my manga shelf.
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Postby Jayfive » Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:44 am

A certain one-letter monikered walking wannabe personaility cult and his followers seem to consider things like Angelic Days as fan-fiction and not the 'true' Eva.

Me, Ive read the first couple of episodes but have been meaning to read that, Raising project and campus apocalypse properly

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Postby hui43210 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:36 am

View Original PostJayfive wrote:A certain one-letter monikered walking wannabe personaility cult and his followers seem to consider things like Angelic Days as fan-fiction and not the 'true' Eva.


? Im new so um what?
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Postby Final Messenger » Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:52 am

I liked angelic days, I love romance and stuff like that so naturally I would enjoy it (plus its a LAS ending), yes it has it's faults but it was a nice little AU manga even if the art burned the eyes.

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Postby Hyper Shinchan » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:17 am

View Original Posthui43210 wrote:? Im new so um what?

He was probably talking about V.
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Postby ONIAgent150 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:21 am

Man, let's not get into a canon debate. I just thought it didn't earn some the true vitriolic stuff I have seen surfing the archives. I really enjoy it. Then again, I have this weird personal philosophy about Eva that says EVERYTHING is canon, but I understand that your milage may vary.
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Postby symbv » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:29 am

View Original PostONIAgent150 wrote:Then again, I have this weird personal philosophy about Eva that says EVERYTHING is canon, but I understand that your milage may vary.

Well, Angelic Days is definitely officially sanctioned but it is also definitely a spinoff set in an alternate world. Not sure how it counts in terms of canonicity though. Guess that means Angelic Days is not really canon in terms of conventional understanding. But then Jayfive is talking about "true EVA" which can mean something different from "canon".

I understand mods in this forum built up a guideline of "What is Canon?" in Evangelion. I would just share it here for what it's worth:
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Theory_and_Analysis:What_Is_Canon%3F
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Postby Bagheera » Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:12 am

@Shinchan: "Wrong pairing"? Classy. Cracks like that make me think you want be in stupid shipping arguments all the time. Hint: there isn't a "right" pairing, particularly in an AU.

OT: I actually enjoyed it more than any other AU published to date. Yeah, the artwork left a lot to be desired, but the story was straightforward and it actually ended in a timely fashion (unlike some AU stories I could name . . . ). Also, the codas were very nice. No real basis for complaint on my end.
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Postby symbv » Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:18 am

View Original PostBagheera wrote:Hint: there isn't a "right" pairing, particularly in an AU.

There is a "right" pairing.... the one in your mind, that is :)
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Postby Bagheera » Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:21 am

View Original Postsymbv wrote:There is a "right" pairing.... the one in your mind, that is :)


Nah, that's just a preferred pairing. It's no more right than any other.

But yeah, for my own headspace? So very, very right.
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Postby hui43210 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:31 am

View Original PostHyper Shinchan wrote:He was probably talking about V.


You know what, i do remember this site now. I recall his whineing about the Shinji rasieing project and Shinji and gendo could never get along. Ummm yea, thats why its an alt universe... its for fun.

You'll never hear me say its better the real eva cuz its not, but thats why love it. The fact that makes light of such dark people is why i find it so funny! Its not trying to be normal eva.
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