Rei I - Kaworu connection?

[Paintballer]

So I happen to be bored and turned on death and rebirth. Dont know if this has already been pointed out yet. When Naoko Akagi is choking Rei 1
Kaworu's reflection is seen in Rei's eyes. Whats up with that? Rei comes from or is made from Yui ikari and kaworu from Akagi.

[LiLi]

Since this thread has been "revived"...

I thought the Rei's soul inhabited only one clone at a time - hence Ritsuko calling the bodies in the reiquarium mere "things" she's "destroying" rather than killing... And Rei III 'feeling' things even though she has no memory of them...

I have a question related to Kaworu which I thought could fit in here - if the Dummy Plugs (Rei Type) had Rei Bodies from the Reiquarium in them, it would seem logical the Kaworu-type Dummies had Kaworu-clones from a similar Kaworuquarium in them... So, why didn't Kaworu's soul end up recycled into one of the bodies in the Kaworu-quarium - à la Rei III - after his death? Was SEELE unable to retrieve it? Or simply uninterested? Or Gendo got it first?

[Zaque]

if the Dummy Plugs (Rei Type) had Rei Bodies from the Reiquarium in them

They don't.

[LiLi]

if the Dummy Plugs (Rei Type) had Rei Bodies from the Reiquarium in them

They don't.

Thank you.

At first I thought the Dummy System was only made of digitalized Rei!Brainwaves, so to speak - but then I'm pretty sure I read in this very forum that reiclones were supposed to be in there... :confused:

If the technology was available, I still wonder why SEELE didn't make a Kaworuquarium though...

[Zaque]

Hmmm... that's odd.

As for Seele though, I had thought they didn't know about the reiquarium until they interrogated Ritsuko. If not, I would guess that getting Ritsuko involved might ruin their plans.

[LiLi]

As for Seele though, I had thought they didn't know about the reiquarium until they interrogated Ritsuko.

It would seem that way... but what I mean is, then apparently they weren't aware the technology to make 'spares' for Kaworu was available at all...? I mean, they might come in handy...

Or perhaps they 'acquired' Kaworu as a side-effect of 2I and afterwards lacked some needed Adam Bodyparts/cells to clone him succesfully?

[Zaque]

On second thought, I'm not sure if that technology was available or not. After all, it is rather old, and there are other intelligent people in the world than Ritsuko under Seele hire.

As for the relationship between Seele and Kaworu, I think it's no question that he was a side effect from 2I. as for cloning, I don't know why it would be needed if there wasn't a kaworu clone in the kaworu dummy plugs (even if there was, a clone of kaworu wouldn't have a soul for it to work). Besides, if Seele "owned" kaworu, putting him in a tank of LCL all day for creating the dummy system wouldn't be that big of an issue. And if Seele was planning on exterminating kaworu from the beginning anyway, I see even less of a use for them...

[LiLi]

As for the relationship between Seele and Kaworu, I think it's no question that he was a side effect from 2I.

Yes, I think so too.

And if Seele was planning on exterminating kaworu from the beginning anyway, I see even less of a use for them...

I meant they might have wanted to keep spares in the annoying case Kaworu were to die before they were done with him...

[Zaque]

I suppose... but it's not like kaworu would kill himself, and it's also not like he has a fragile ATF either.

[AuraTwilight]

So I happen to be bored and turned on death and rebirth. Dont know if this has already been pointed out yet. When Naoko Akagi is choking Rei 1
Kaworu's reflection is seen in Rei's eyes. Whats up with that? Rei comes from or is made from Yui ikari and kaworu from Akagi.

1) Kaworu is not based off Akagi in any way.

2) I don't see Kaworu's reflection at all. Anyone got a screenshot?

[Ornette]

[LiLi]

Do you think that's our 'regular' Kaworu at 15 or could it also be Kaworu as a younger kid?

[Axell]

Kaworu's there for the same reason he's ever anywhere, to rape the plot and leave it riddled with plot holes

[Ornette]

It's been mentioned before, but keep in mind this is Death, a mish-mash recap of 24 episodes. The obvious reasoning is that Tsurumaki wanted to make a connection between Rei and Kaworu, that there's something about these 2 that's different. It probably isn't meant as anything to be taken literally, like Kaworu was gathering Rei's soul, or that Kaworu was actually floating above Rei, or that Kaworu had anything to do with Naoko.

[AuraTwilight]

Right, because I just took a look and that's not in the actual episode. Death and Rebirth isn't something you can take literally, unless you want to assume the five Children playing instruments together literally happened (which is impossible).

[Reichu]

The obvious reasoning is that Tsurumaki wanted to make a connection between Rei and Kaworu

Well... Masayuki, actually.

It probably isn't meant as anything to be taken literally, like Kaworu was gathering Rei's soul

Well... Could be timespace-hopping Rei appearing as Kaworu. That probably doesn't make any sense either, though.

[Legendary]

Clearly it's the proof that Kaworu is a male clone of the senior Dr. Akagi!


...or it's just random Eva.

[carla]

*stares at pic*

...how do people notice these things..?

*feels stupid*

[SaltyJoe]

To be honest, i always thought that Kaworu functioned as a representation of death in that pic. The movie is titled Death, and it ends on Tabbi-kun's "death". Even when Kaji dies, there are strong visual parallels with Kaworu. So Kaworu is the one who dies, but also death itself (my interpretation of Kaworu in general tends to be a bit darker than the usual).

[thewayneiac]

It probably isn't meant as anything to be taken literally, like Kaworu was gathering Rei's soul

Well... Could be timespace-hopping Rei appearing as Kaworu. That probably doesn't make any sense either, though.

Why not? It makes just as much sense as timespace-hopping Rei appearing as Gendo when Rei 2 dies. Also, it allows for all three Reis' appearances in Instrumentality, even if you accept the theory that the Unit-00 and Rei 2 versions of the soul have been reunited in Rei 3. If the soul has been re-united how could there be three in Instrumentality? The first two must have been collected by Rei 3 before the reunion took place. (For this purpose we should ignore any time travel paradoxes, such as, "but if she grabs Rei 1's soul she's changing history! It couldn't have been put into Unit-00 or or Rei 2!" She brought them forward into an already established timeline.)

Yes, I think that Rei 3 appearing as Kaworu is probably what is happening here. There's no evidence in the Anime that a horde of Kaworus was also going about collecting souls.

Of course, this means that the 3 Reis have 2 complete souls between them, (assuming that there is no soul left in Lilith, which I don't neccessarily accept). Rei 1 partial soul from Unit-00 + Rei 2 partial soul = complete soul; Rei 3 = complete soul reunited in Ep. 23.