Wasn't Tokyo-3 supposed to be anti-angel?

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Wasn't Tokyo-3 supposed to be anti-angel?

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Postby Kye7 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:01 am

I don't know if I'm confused or just stupid, but it seems like all of the angels tear up the city and all of the surrounding area..

I thought it was a city built to withstand angel attacks..
So why do all of the buildings get destroyed so easily?


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Postby symbv » Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:17 am

View Original PostKye7 wrote:I thought it was a city built to withstand angel attacks..

Was it? That would be news to me. I only know GeoFront was built to withstand angel attacks..
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Postby Final Messenger » Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:25 am

I think most of the effort went into making the geo front. As I recall even Ritsuko or maybe it was Fuyutsuki said that using the citiy's non eva defences (eg the gun turrets) was a waste of the tax payer’s money
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Postby The Eva Monkey » Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:53 am

Just because Tokyo-3 has Angel defenses does not mean that the city is Angel-proof.

As is shown in the series, the Angels come in all shapes and sizes and some have very powerful or specialized forms of attack. While the city has armaments, special support systems, and so forth, some of these Angels are just so powerful that they can obliterate multiple layers of fortified armor.

Remember Zereul in episode 19 and Evangelion 2.22? That was one badass mother fucker, and it came in so quickly, they didn't even have time to ready themselves.

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Postby Jayfive » Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:06 am

View Original PostThe Eva Monkey wrote:Remember Zereul in episode 19 and Evangelion 2.22? That was one badass mother fucker, and it came in so quickly, they didn't even have time to ready themselves.


Whereas in the Petit Eva continuity he is chased by Unit 01 and his boogers of doom and then falls in love with Rei 2. :D

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Postby SaVaGe » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:12 pm

View Original PostThe Eva Monkey wrote:Just because Tokyo-3 has Angel defenses does not mean that the city is Angel-proof.

As is shown in the series, the Angels come in all shapes and sizes and some have very powerful or specialized forms of attack. While the city has armaments, special support systems, and so forth, some of these Angels are just so powerful that they can obliterate multiple layers of fortified armor.

Remember Zereul in episode 19 and Evangelion 2.22? That was one badass mother fucker, and it came in so quickly, they didn't even have time to ready themselves.


Took the words right out of my mouth. How could they possibly have predicted the raw power than Zeruel and Ramiel. I highly doubt the Dead Sea Scrolls have detailed descriptions of each angel.
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Postby bobbyfischer's ghost » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:46 pm

I say just stop developing guns and improve on the progressive knife.
Tokyo 3 had the best defense nerv could manege, but nothing offensive aside from the gun turrets, even the GeoFront isn't impregnable, Zeruel proved that.
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Postby Alaska Slim » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:57 pm

View Original Postbobbyfischer's ghost wrote:Tokyo 3 had the best defense nerv could manege, but nothing offensive aside from the gun turrets,.

Oh, it certainly had a lot more than that, the Missile-launching skyscrapers, the MLRSs, the rows upon rows of tanks, the giant train-borne Mortar, etc. Tokyo-3 is an array of all sorts of projectile-firing devices.
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Postby bobbyfischer's ghost » Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:04 pm

yeah, the only reason I didn't mention them was because for the most part they were ineffective, well aside from the Positron Sniper Rifle‎.
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Postby CyberXIII » Sun Nov 13, 2011 2:20 am

Being designed to do something and actually pulling it off are two different things entirely. Nerv had clearly no idea how powerful the Angels really were, so they just went for a general anti-giant monster route that failed horribly.

The Angels have been proven to be adaptive and intelligent. Sachiel was the only serious Angel to be affected by conventional weaponry, and even then it was only startled. All the others aside from Iruel required the Evas to beat. My guess is they all learned from Sachi's mistake and chose forms that would shrug off most conventional weapons like they were spit-wads. Hell, look at Shamshel's entrance. It just glided into Tokyo-3 and wasn't even pretending to notice the firepower unloaded on it.

Plus, let's face it, if an Angel went down to regular bullets it would be mighty lame. I'm looking at you Matty.

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Postby Aiko Heiwa » Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:03 am

View Original PostCyberXIII wrote:Being designed to do something and actually pulling it off are two different things entirely. Nerv had clearly no idea how powerful the Angels really were, so they just went for a general anti-giant monster route that failed horribly.

The Angels have been proven to be adaptive and intelligent. Sachiel was the only serious Angel to be affected by conventional weaponry, and even then it was only startled. All the others aside from Iruel required the Evas to beat. My guess is they all learned from Sachi's mistake and chose forms that would shrug off most conventional weapons like they were spit-wads. Hell, look at Shamshel's entrance. It just glided into Tokyo-3 and wasn't even pretending to notice the firepower unloaded on it.

Plus, let's face it, if an Angel went down to regular bullets it would be mighty lame. I'm looking at you Matty. The city's main weapons w

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Postby supershinjiasukashipper » Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:36 pm

Okay, considering the design of the city you seem to have misunderstood. It is not meant to be completely angel proof, but it is meant to reduce the loss from an angel attack. (I.E. Buildings that go down into the ground and bomb shelters everywhere.)
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Postby SEELE-01 » Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:00 am

View Original PostCyberXIII wrote:they just went for a general anti-giant monster route that failed horribly


Considering that Matarael went down with only a burst of Palette Rifle, I'd say that it was the lack of electricity that prevented NERV to take it down without even deploying Evas...
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Postby Reichu » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:08 am

View Original Postarael wrote:Considering that Matarael went down with only a burst of Palette Rifle, I'd say that it was the lack of electricity that prevented NERV to take it down without even deploying Evas...

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CyberXIII wrote:Sachiel was the only serious Angel to be affected by conventional weaponry, and even then it was only startled.

"Startled" might not be the right word... Sachiel starts off in mostly defensive/escape mode, more interested in being left alone than fighting, and only takes out one of the attacking VTOLs. After stepping on the mine, Sachiel seems to get so paranoid that he takes out an unmanned surveillance craft with an eye blast.
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Postby NemZ » Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:56 am

View Original Postbobbyfischer's ghost wrote:I say just stop developing guns and improve on the progressive knife.


...and now I have the image of giant pit traps filled with progressive punji stakes. This totally sounds like a Misato plan.
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Postby Someone » Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:31 am

It is anti-angel because it has EVA units.
If they had anything else, then they probably wouldn't use those EVA's that can only be piloted by CHILDREN.
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Postby Stikuru » Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:37 am

Yeah, I don't think Nerv was fully aware of the how powerful the Angels would be.

And even if Gendo was aware, he couldn't really go about telling the entire world how he find out about their power (IE the dead sea scrolls/ SEELE / any other way he found out).

Anyways, back on topic, a statement is made in the first battle against Sachiel about how ordinary weapons are ineffective against an angel with an AT field.

It is mentioned that this was also "predicted". But in my opinion even though they predicted that ordinary weapons would be ineffective I think they would still TRY to take them out that way. Because if they actually DID work, can you imagine how much easier that would have made their job? No more billion dollar repairs on Eva units in every fight! xD

And in any case they can be used as a distraction if they fail anyways (such as with Ramiel).

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Postby AshPhoenix » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:58 pm

View Original PostStikuru wrote:Yeah, I don't think Nerv was fully aware of the how powerful the Angels would be.

This. Well, at the beginning at least. I don't think that NERV had actually had any fights with Angels before the Sachiel attack.
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