Is there a way to apply the Evangelion metaphor to fathers?

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Is there a way to apply the Evangelion metaphor to fathers?

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Postby BornIn1142 » Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:20 am

I was just entertaining the notion of Evangelions potentially being the vessels for the pilots' fathers' souls, but then I realized that those wouldn't really be Evas anymore. The Oedipal imagery, the entry plug insertion and the womb, are all integral elements, but they'd be kind of inapplicable to the alternative. The problem is that the cockpit is a pretty common feature.

So: how would a paternal equivalent giant robot work? What traits do fathers have that would separate them from Evas?

The best I can come up with is a Tetsujin-style remote-controlled mecha, or something...
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Postby Stryker » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:54 am

They could be piloted manually, most likely having the plug in the head or in a phallus like compartment.
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Postby SaltyJoe » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:11 pm

This is a more difficult question than it seems to be at first sight. Oedipal undertones aside, the relationship between mother and child is much more unisex than the father/child one. The intimacy of the mother's womb is something that both sexes "experience" in the same fashion. There is no real analogy for that regarding a child's connection to the father.

So, to get something meanigful out of this would require changing the main character's gender to female, switching Oedipus to Electra, some penetration imagery aroud the way the pilot is connected to the mecha... maybe berseker state should be activated when an enemy tries to snatch away the pilot, tries to take her from the father (the enemies would all give the impression of being masculine in nature, of course) to copulate in some fashion.
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Postby child of Lilith » Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:01 pm

They would have to drastically change the show to make it work. Not that it wouldn't be possible or anything.
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Postby BornIn1142 » Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:32 pm

View Original Postchild of Lilith wrote:They would have to drastically change the show to make it work. Not that it wouldn't be possible or anything.


I'm wondering purely as a thought exercise, not how it would fit into the show.
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Postby pen-pen » Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:45 am

Well, There is that 'absent mother' theme like most of Walt Disney cartoons goin on there...
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Postby Combs » Fri Jun 24, 2011 1:44 am

We already have those, they're called predator drones. Nothing emulates a fatherly connection like piloting something from thousands of miles away.
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Postby juaxoo » Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:20 am

make father-evas drink beer for their external source power, and the cockpit has a father and son theme, pilots wear baseball gloves and wears a pair of boxers for pilot suits, then, instead of inserting the plug into the womb, have the father-eva smoke a cigar, and the plug is the cigar, so the pilot gets smoked into the eva...

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Postby Shogo-Kun » Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:06 pm

How to make EVAs into fathers? Hmm...

1. Make the EVAs masculine and brawny! (perferably chubby or muscular)

2. Insert them into the stomach instead of the neck (way through a man's heart is through the stomach)

3. They'll go berserk if the child is threatened to be destroyed or taken away from the mech (Papawolf FTW!)

4. Finishing attacks would invole "raping" the enemies using the phallus (cause some men do think with their dicks)
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Postby juaxoo » Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:43 pm

View Original PostShogo-Kun wrote:How to make EVAs into fathers? Hmm...

1. Make the EVAs masculine and brawny! (perferably chubby or muscular)

2. Insert them into the stomach instead of the neck (way through a man's heart is through the stomach)

3. They'll go berserk if the child is threatened to be destroyed or taken away from the mech (Papawolf FTW!)

4. Finishing attacks would invole "raping" the enemies using the phallus (cause some men do think with their dicks)


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Postby TehDonutKing » Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:41 pm

View Original PostShogo-Kun wrote:How to make EVAs into fathers? Hmm...

1. Make the EVAs masculine and brawny! (perferably chubby or muscular)

2. Insert them into the stomach instead of the neck (way through a man's heart is through the stomach)

3. They'll go berserk if the child is threatened to be destroyed or taken away from the mech (Papawolf FTW!)

4. Finishing attacks would invole "raping" the enemies using the phallus (cause some men do think with their dicks)

Seems quite strange and interesting.
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Postby merri » Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:39 pm

That's where you can put the Progressive Knife. :D

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Postby Vegeta 20XX » Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:39 am

View Original PostShogo-Kun wrote:How to make EVAs into fathers? Hmm...

1. Make the EVAs masculine and brawny! (perferably chubby or muscular)

2. Insert them into the stomach instead of the neck (way through a man's heart is through the stomach)

3. They'll go berserk if the child is threatened to be destroyed or taken away from the mech (Papawolf FTW!)

4. Finishing attacks would invole "raping" the enemies using the phallus (cause some men do think with their dicks)


I am disappoint. I might understand the first three, but dads aren't (usually) rapists. Come on, now.
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Postby Yue » Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:57 am

View Original PostVegeta 20XX wrote:I am disappoint. I might understand the first three, but dads aren't (usually) rapists. Come on, now.


True, but men are supposed to be more sexually aggressive.
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Postby Cody MacArthur Fett » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:12 pm

Well, my dad really identifies with Gendo, so I suppose there are ways that Eva can apply to . . . Oh, you meant the bio-mech Eva.

The notion of what a father differs from culture to culture, so first you would need to find out what constitutes an ideal Japanese father and work from there.

View Original PostYue wrote:True, but men are supposed to be more sexually aggressive.

That is a dirty and offensive stereotype. Plain and simple.
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Postby BornIn1142 » Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:03 pm

View Original PostCody MacArthur Fett wrote:That is a dirty and offensive stereotype. Plain and simple.


It would be dirty and offensive to assume someone is sexually aggressive just because they're male. Still, most sexual violence is committed by men, isn't it? Even taking various statistics-bending factors into account, I don't think it's wrong to say that men are generally more sexually aggressive than women.
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