Control of Near 3I (Shinji vs. Eva/Yui)

Discussion of the new series of Evangelion movies ( "Evangelion Shin Gekijōban", meaning "Evangelion: New Theatrical Edition").
The third installment debuted in Japan on November 17, 2012.

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Postby Stryker » Sat May 28, 2011 1:07 pm

View Original PostAuraTwilight wrote:Shinji is an asshole.


Yeah, but... wait a second. How did Shinji cheat Yui out of any screentime in 2.22?
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Postby Tarnsman » Sat May 28, 2011 1:14 pm

View Original PostStryker wrote:Yeah, but... wait a second. How did Shinji cheat Yui out of any screentime in 2.22?


Yui didn't get to eat Zeruel this time around. I guess that makes Shinji an asshole to Yui's fans.
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Postby Kendrix » Sat May 28, 2011 3:29 pm

View Original PostTarnsman wrote:Yui didn't get to eat Zeruel this time around. I guess that makes Shinji an asshole to Yui's fans.


Yui probably wouldn't approve of ppl bashing her baby
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Postby Warren Peace » Sun May 29, 2011 4:18 am

View Original PostLegendary wrote:That's not how you spell Buddha.


It is also not, in fact, Christ's first name.

Shinji helped make Yui into God. Isn't that better than simply chowing down on some Angel meat?

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Postby illustriusCheese » Sun May 29, 2011 11:01 am

Looked to me like Shinji was the God since he was in control, not Yui.

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Postby Azathoth » Sun May 29, 2011 11:46 am

Yui is kind of complicit in whatever Shinji did, though, since it's her body. And in the event that she wasn't complicit, that's kind of a genuinely horrifying action on Shinji's part.
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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Sun May 29, 2011 9:38 pm

If Yui wouldn't be complicit, she could have shut down at any time (and/or at least wouldn't have waited for Shinji, as Gendo's line implied). So Shinji's actions could still fall in line with whatever her own plans are...at least we'll see with 3.0.
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Postby AuraTwilight » Mon May 30, 2011 2:44 pm

I think it's funnier if his God Mode bullshit completely overrode her.

"Well, okay, as long as I can nom Zeruel for my plan and-wait what are you doing? Shinji stop. What did you say? Shinji! Shinji DAMMIT LISTEN TO YOUR MOTHER! WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING YOU'LL RUIN EVERYTHING! Get that bitch out of my living space, it's bad enough you're in here! God dammit....well fine, as long as you're stuck here, keep it down, alright? You kids scream like banshees."
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Postby Kendrix » Mon May 30, 2011 3:45 pm

Well, Fuyu implied that "the plan" was made 14 years ago, so Yui might be 'in' on a few Details like, that they want Shinji to trigger God Mode via power of Love.
She obviously couldn't have known who would fill the role of her potential daughter-in-law, tough...
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Postby Legendary » Mon May 30, 2011 4:03 pm

That's the sickest thing I've ever heard.

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Postby Kendrix » Mon May 30, 2011 4:14 pm

Maybe the plan said "Power of love" in general without further specifics... Or it just said "something related to an extreme emotional reaction of Shinji's" and Yui going berserk after Shin-chan's pleadings would still have been within the parameters... in any case, we'll find out next year or so
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Postby Warren Peace » Mon May 30, 2011 9:38 pm

View Original PostAzathoth wrote:And in the event that she wasn't complicit, that's kind of a genuinely horrifying action on Shinji's part.


How so? If anything, it would be a genuinely horrifying action on Gendo's part. Shinji doesn't know anything about Unit-01 (especially in Rebuild). To him, the Eva is just a machine.

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Postby Azathoth » Mon May 30, 2011 9:50 pm

View Original PostWarren Peace wrote:How so? If anything, it would be a genuinely horrifying action on Gendo's part. Shinji doesn't know anything about Unit-01 (especially in Rebuild). To him, the Eva is just a machine.


It would be horrifying because he's cutting his mother off from her ability to control her body and even her own AT field. His ignorance of this would not make this any less horrifying, any less than his apathy towards the world makes his attempted destruction of it less horrifying. And although he has yet to completely acknowledge it, he has without doubt become aware of a linkage between Unit 01, Yui, and Rei. Really, I'd rather assume Yui is just back to being an exploitative dick, and is complicit in his bullshit.
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Postby Warren Peace » Mon May 30, 2011 9:53 pm

Well, if it's horrifying, Shinji is oblivious to it being horrifying, at least. It would be like if you found out your car could think for itself.

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Postby Azathoth » Mon May 30, 2011 10:05 pm

I could make an entire movie about the things which are oblivious to Shinji. Unfortunately this Anno guy kind of beat me to the punch. I don't really feel like being nice to Shinji just because he's being stupid, though. He's heard people going on about Evas having "personality data" and he's well aware that they can act on their own without the pilot's input, surely he should at least be considering that there's something alive in there?
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Postby Kendrix » Mon May 30, 2011 10:47 pm

View Original PostAzathoth wrote:I could make an entire movie about the things which are oblivious to Shinji. Unfortunately this Anno guy kind of beat me to the punch. I don't really feel like being nice to Shinji just because he's being stupid, though. He's heard people going on about Evas having "personality data" and he's well aware that they can act on their own without the pilot's input, surely he should at least be considering that there's something alive in there?


He probably got the message that they're sort of alive by the time he saw the eye and found it too disturbing to think about. also, alive doesn't necessarily equal sentient/intelligent.

But I think Yui would be okay with Shinji doing stuff - In EoE, for example, she let him choose...
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Postby Warren Peace » Tue May 31, 2011 2:01 am

Yeah, how could he possibly think it's smarter than an animal? The only time he's seen Unit-01 "conscious" is when it tore apart Sachiel like an orangutan.

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Postby Azathoth » Tue May 31, 2011 8:20 am

View Original PostKendrix wrote:He probably got the message that they're sort of alive by the time he saw the eye and found it too disturbing to think about.


He doesn't see the eye in Rebuild, as far as I remember.
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Postby Kendrix » Tue May 31, 2011 8:31 am

View Original PostAzathoth wrote:He doesn't see the eye in Rebuild, as far as I remember.


Oh right. Even less of a reason for him to assume it's sentient.
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Postby AuraTwilight » Tue May 31, 2011 2:50 pm

I still don't think Yui had any say in what happened in that scene, since I extremely doubt she was down with "KILL ALL HUMANITY" and had no way of knowing that Kaworu would make a saving throw (pun totally intended).
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