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Postby Twin Drive Sigma Aquarion » Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:46 pm

So who is the people whose arguments I cannot rebut blindly following what's said instead of using one's own brain now?

If it's not listed as lolicon or drawing the crowd than clearly it is not.
Exactly one adult female

There were at least three others excluding Mizuki. :facepalm:
based on the shower/bath scene Nick posted earlier you have the memory of a goldfish

When I meant nude shot I meant genital flashing (I really need to be more specific). And even then it lasts what? Two minutes? There was a hot spring ep in Zwei, but didn't have much aside from breast flashing.

And a goldfish memory I have none of.
while we're at it I'd like to add ZZ Gundam to TDSA's lolicon anime sin list.

For what reaso-
PURU PURU PURU

Because a character and her clone are named after a lolicon magazine. I can see what you're attempting here, but this is just grasping straws.
btw, you're also implying Nanoha centers around "ecchi comedy"

Comedy? No. Ecchi? With those transformation scenes and a few other shots? I'm amazed it's not placed in that genre.

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Postby child of Lilith » Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:58 pm

View Original PostAlaska Slim wrote:How would you rank the series overall? I tried the first episode, but it was just grating hell with the animation design, and seemingly pointless directorial style.

Does it improve any?
If you didn't like the first episode you probably won't like the rest. For far too long it was just episode after episode of painfully generic scenes of Saya and her friends at school during the day and then a fight with a monster at night, all while not advancing the plot at all. Eventually the nighttime fun begins to invade the day, but the story still doesn't move. Only now at the end are we getting some answers, however the show is largely still keeping the viewer in the dark. Saya is also insufferably stupid. There are reasons for this, but they don't really help her case.

If I had to rate it, I'd give it a 7. Some of the monster fights are really good, and the ending still has a chance of being worth seeing, however you really wouldn't loose anything by giving it a miss.
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Postby Dr. Nick » Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:47 am

View Original PostTwin Drive Sigma Aquarion wrote:When I meant nude shot I meant genital flashing (I really need to be more specific).


Okay, let's be more specific. How many minutes of genital flashing were there in Nanoha's episode 3?

Because a character and her clone are named after a lolicon magazine. I can see what you're attempting here, but this is just grasping straws.


How is it grasping at straws? We have two underage females, both named after a loli magazine, and both have numerous scenes where they're either nude or flimsily clothed. Especially with Puru 1 these scenes are played as ecchi comedy. I fail to see the functional difference.

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Postby InstrumentalityOne » Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:59 am

Finally finished Double-J which just finished airing this season.
That was really nice.

Does someone else here watch Double-J too?

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Postby Bagheera » Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:57 am

View Original PostDr. Nick wrote:EDIT: Since MAL clubs now have the power to determine the ultimate essence of a given anime, here are some clubs associated with one of TDSA's all-time favorite shows, Gundam Seed Destiny:


Wait, he likes Gundam Seed Destiny? That does a lot to put his opinions in perspective.
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Postby Twin Drive Sigma Aquarion » Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:10 am

EDIT: Since MAL clubs now have the power to determine the ultimate essence of a given anime, here are some clubs associated with one of TDSA's all-time favorite shows, Gundam Seed Destiny:

Those are just hate/porn clubs, not genre clubs.
How many minutes of genital flashing were there in Nanoha's episode 3?

Does the transformation sequence count?
We have two underage females, both named after a loli magazine, and both have numerous scenes where they're either nude or flimsily clothed. Especially with Puru 1 these scenes are played as ecchi comedy. I fail to see the functional difference.

But ZZ Gundam isn't in the lolicon genre (because it's, you know, mecha and all) or even related and it's not like they have her in provocative positions or something more serious. Not to mention they don't take up a lot of screen time.
Wait, he likes Gundam Seed Destiny?

It's only my favorite gundam series and the only one I rank over NGE. :cool:

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Postby Dr. Nick » Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:45 am

View Original PostTwin Drive Sigma Aquarion wrote:Those are just hate/porn clubs, not genre clubs.


Nope. Yaoi and BL are genres just as much as lolicon is. You could also argue that extraordinarily bad anime is a sort of a genre the same way B-movies are.

Does the transformation sequence count?


You remind me, you've watched it more recently. Were there any genitals being flashed?

But ZZ Gundam isn't in the lolicon genre (because it's, you know, mecha and all) or even related


Bullshit argument. You might as well say "But Nanoha isn't in the lolicon genre (because it's, you know, magical girls and all) or even related".
and it's not like they have her in provocative positions or something more serious. Not to mention they don't take up a lot of screen time.


Lies. This would be easy to debunk with a few screenshots. Furthermore, constantly moving the goalposts is rather lousy argumentation.

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Postby Twin Drive Sigma Aquarion » Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:03 am

Nope. Yaoi and BL are genres just as much as lolicon is.

But it doesn't act like yaoi nor was it designed to drawn in that crowd (intentionally anyway).
You could also argue that extraordinarily bad anime is a sort of a genre the same way B-movies are.

Wait, B-Movies are a genre? I thought it was a classification of budget.
Were there any genitals being flashed?

Not directly, but they were showing her entire body, which itself is quite gross.
This would be easy to debunk with a few screenshots.

You need to see the part where I said "not a lot of screen time".
Bullshit argument. You might as well say "But Nanoha isn't in the lolicon genre (because it's, you know, magical girls and all) or even related".

But ZZ wasn't designed for loli crowds, Nanoha was. Either that or Symby did a really good job at fooling me.

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Postby Dr. Nick » Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:32 am

View Original PostTwin Drive Sigma Aquarion wrote:But it doesn't act like yaoi nor was it designed to drawn in that crowd.


Since what you're claiming is going against what's clearly observable, you're going to have to prove this. What's your source? Some interview with the creators, perhaps?

Not directly, but they were showing her entire body, which itself is quite gross.


But you were specifically talking about "genital flashing". If there's none, what's your problem? If seeing a girl's naked body is a dealbreaker for you, why didn't you drop ZZ when you saw Puru 2 completely naked?

You need to see the part where I said "not a lot of screen time".


Bullshit. Puru wears a revealing costume with a garterbelt throughout the entire Africa arc. We aren't talking about just a few isolated scenes.

But ZZ wasn't designed for loli crowds


Again, what's your source?

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Postby Twin Drive Sigma Aquarion » Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:36 am

For most of these I can simply answer this: Gundam shows are mostly for kids and showing off mechs for merchandise even if people like me don't see it like a commercial but rather a story about mechs fighting in war. They're designed for kids, not late night adults that get off to seeing little kids in perverse manners.
Puru wears a revealing costume with a garterbelt throughout the entire Africa arc.

You're under the assumption that I know what a garterbelt is, is it a type of ammunition belt or something?

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Postby Oz » Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:44 am

View Original PostTwin Drive Sigma Aquarion wrote:You're under the assumption that I know what a garterbelt is, is it a type of ammunition belt or something?

You can't be serious. :hitthetable:
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Postby Mr. Tines » Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:52 am

View Original PostTwin Drive Sigma Aquarion wrote:You're under the assumption that I know what a garterbelt is, is it a type of ammunition belt or something?
The answer is "A black priest who looks after anarchic angels".

View Original PostTwin Drive Sigma Aquarion wrote:Which kind of makes it pedo-bait


View Original PostMr. Tines wrote:Given your reaction to Madoka, you will undoubtedly have difficulty with the significant characters being 9 year old girls, the regular panchira, and the henshin sequences. It would be nice to think that you could overlook those aspects and come to realize that Takamachi Nanoha is one of the manliest little girls to be imagined by Japan, but I don't hold out much hope.


View Original PostTwin Drive Sigma Aquarion wrote:why the hell is it compared to the Gundam franchise?


View Original PostMr. Tines wrote:In series 1, episodes 1-3 kick mahou shoujo clichés to the kerb; 4-6 introduce the rival figure, and then from the halfway point it swaps genres and it's "Atashi wa Gundam!" and friendship imposed through superior firepower from then on in (though you don't get the full White Devil deal until midway through the second season).
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Postby Twin Drive Sigma Aquarion » Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:59 am

Thanks for the explanations, Mr. Tines. Sorry, but I can't finish it, it's kind of an ethical issue with me.
You can't be serious.

I am. I know it's a Gainax character, but clothing wise I have no clue.

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Postby Alaska Slim » Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:00 pm

View Original PostTwin Drive Sigma Aquarion wrote:It's only my favorite gundam series and the only one I rank over NGE. :cool:

Dude just used my meme to thumbs up Gundam S--D Destiny... bh.. bh.... I'm sorry, I think I've spontaneously developed an aneurysm. :nosebleed:


TSDA, remember what I said about lauding the "flaws" of someone else's favored genre, and how people would react in kind?

Good to know you're someone who needs to experience these things first hand. Call it a rite of passage.

View Original PostTwin Drive Sigma Aquarion wrote:But ZZ wasn't designed for loli crowds, Nanoha was. Either that or Symby did a really good job at fooling me.

No, symbv said Nanoha merely had Loli aspects. You fooled yourself.


View Original PostTwin Drive Sigma Aquarion wrote:Does the transformation sequence count?

Digimon Tamers has such a thing, and it lasts for as long as the Tamers are in the form. Not for just a few seconds, but in this case for the vast majority of roughly 10 episodes during the finale, and sporadically before then.

Despite this, Japan still chose to broadcast it during primetime hours, and indeed, this was not edited when Tamers was shown in a similar timeslot here in America.

So no, this doesn't count, this is grasping at straws.
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Postby Mr. Tines » Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:05 pm

View Original PostTwin Drive Sigma Aquarion wrote:clothing wise I have no clue.
It's a belt that functions as a garter. A garter is a device to hold up hosiery. Simples!
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Postby Xard » Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:34 pm

View Original PostTwin Drive Sigma Aquarion wrote:If it's not listed as lolicon


And you're treating genre definitions given by MAL users as absolute, despite how the short list of lolicon anime doesn't even have it all (and some entries are questionable). Moronic. As for clubs, anyone can make a MAL club and add pretty much any anime as "related".

For someone who likes to call other people meek sheep you're certainly quite a tool

View Original PostTwin Drive Sigma Aquarion wrote: or drawing the crowd


That would make Miyazaki anime some of the most terrifying lolicon shit ever, given how large role to heroines like Lana in Conan and the like are given in genesis of, uhh, lolicon.

I don't recommend you do it but searching booru with tags for loli and Super Robot Wars gives more than a few results. So since Super Robot Wars draws in "lolicon crowd" OG too is lolicon shit.


View Original PostTwin Drive Sigma Aquarion wrote:There were at least three others excluding Mizuki. :facepalm:


I was referring to main characters, haven't watched Gravion but going through character list in wiki and MAL ages for girls tend to be between 14 and 17 aka minor lolicon shit. Both also specifically mentioned Mizuki as the only adult woman on the team, so go figure.

View Original PostTwin Drive Sigma Aquarion wrote: Ecchi? With those transformation scenes and a few other shots? I'm amazed it's not placed in that genre.


Well you said yourself. I've always thought the same!

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Damn MALers incompetently tagging Aquarion!

Come to think of it, keeping in mind the blatant mid00s bishounen BL fishing the series does it's a pity it doesn't have the relevant tag either.

View Original PostBagheera wrote:Wait, he likes Gundam Seed Destiny? That does a lot to put his opinions in perspective.


are you saying there hasn't prior to this been any reason to do so? :uhh:

View Original PostTwin Drive Sigma Aquarion wrote:But it doesn't act like yaoi nor was it designed to drawn in that crowd (intentionally anyway).


Wing came first in 90s but SEED is where Sunrise started seriously targetting the commercial potential of fujoshi fanbase. LOL

View Original PostTwin Drive Sigma Aquarion wrote:But ZZ wasn't designed for loli crowds, Nanoha was. Either that or Symby did a really good job at fooling me.


Symbv never said that, you messed up. Nanoha does have loli elements to draw otaku in but so did ZZ...for starters

View Original PostTwin Drive Sigma Aquarion wrote:For most of these I can simply answer this: Gundam shows are mostly for kids and showing off mechs for merchandise even if people like me don't see it like a commercial but rather a story about mechs fighting in war. They're designed for kids, not late night adults that get off to seeing little kids in perverse manners.


Gundam SEED was a midnight anime, targetting Gundam fans and fujoshi

View Original PostTwin Drive Sigma Aquarion wrote:Thanks for the explanations, Mr. Tines. Sorry, but I can't finish it, it's kind of an ethical issue with me.


>ethical issue

This coming from Go Nagai fan who certainly didn't have any problems with loli fanservice in Dororon Enma-kun or the general debauchery all over his works or anything is just....

Stop using double standards, you hypocritical dumbass

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Postby Final Messenger » Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:42 pm

This loli debate is still going on?

Any how Yesterday I watched some ms igloo and I must say that ms igloo just looks stunning

Also I need to take a break from mecha for a while so does anyone highly recomend anything (any genre I don't care which one I just need to mecha detoix for a week)
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Postby Mr. Tines » Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:46 pm

View Original PostFinal Messenger wrote:does anyone highly recomend anything
There aren't many mecha titles in the recommendations thread.

Here's a trio starting with M (but not with /m/)

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Postby Twin Drive Sigma Aquarion » Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:35 pm

No, symbv said Nanoha merely had Loli aspects.

Despite this, Japan still chose to broadcast it during primetime hours

He also said it's aimed for adults and had a midnight time slot. You know, this begs the question (and this addresses Xard's quote on SEED Destiny's time slot too) how do you people know these time slots? :???:
haven't watched Gravion

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Nanoha does have loli elements to draw otaku in but so did ZZ...for starters

The former seems to be created to draw in the loli crowd more while ZZ not only doesn't have much but is hardly referenced outside of discussion of mech anime.
>ethical issue

Would someone tell me what ">insert writing here" means? Please?
This coming from Go Nagai fan who certainly didn't have any problems with loli fanservice in Dororon Enma-kun

Because whats her name was in a Siren outfit for three minutes? I'll admit that was disturbing, but three minutes isn't enough to drag down the entire series. And yes, I'm aware of "other" times, but they didn't seem as bad except for the umm "climactic end", but it involved the entire world and was blurry so it's passable.
Stop using double standards

I'm not using double standards, I just have 0 interest in watching lolicon 'cause it's gross.

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Postby Defectron » Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:06 pm

">insert writing here" means? Please?


Well to insert writing, you need to take something someone wrote and insert it somewhere.

Anyway the only anime I'm watching right now is mawaru penguindrum, none of the other anime looks at all interesting to me right now. Anyone able to recommend a fall anime that isn't horrible or mediocre?
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