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Postby Olin of Xephon » Fri Jul 09, 2004 3:35 pm

Was Shinji a coward?

Shinji is easily the most hated of the Evangelion characters beacuse he's "sucha wuss" "So wimpy" "He never got it on with Rei!" etc. etc.

Granted, he wasn't the most easy going kid. He had a pretty screwed up realtionship with people, and he was very insecure with himself.
But was he really a coward?
I think he showed a lot of courage given the situation he was thrust into.
People are always on his case because "he just doesn't shut up and pilot the damn eva!"
But He pilots the Evangelion a lot more often then i think a coward could.
It seems to me his fear is reasonable given the task. "go get in the cockpit and save us from the angels kid. and hurry up!"

Remember Touji's reaction to becoming a pilot in the manga?
It's a scary task. And obviously brings with it a load of mental trauma.

So in the end what do you think?

Shinji, messed up but brave kid or screwed up litttle coward?

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Postby Phaze » Fri Jul 09, 2004 3:39 pm

Shinji was definitely not a coward, nor was he spineless, this generalization comes mainly from fanfiction, I think. With Asuka insulting him constantly, and him saying "I'm sorry" over and over. In reality, a lot of the times Asuka insulted him, or anyone else for that matter, he stood up for himself.
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Postby Nephilim » Fri Jul 09, 2004 3:47 pm

Shinji is not a coward !!!
Everybody that has felt the same way he did will understand. He didn't run away because he's afraid to die, he runs away because he doesn't believe in his habilities, he doesn't believe he is useful, he thinks that everything he does is to harm people.

Maybe in EoE it's a little annoying that Misato had to drag Shinji to get him to the eva, but anyway... :roll:

PS: i think that everybody should name the post as the topic they want to talk about, in this case "is Shinji a coward?", because "God your annoying!" it's a little confusing.
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Postby Somnius Kenate » Fri Jul 09, 2004 3:54 pm

Shinji merely uses advoidance to deal with his problems like many people, though few people can identify with piloting a gigantic purple cyborg every day risking your life for a purpose you don't believe with. However, I (in one point in life) can identify with the fact that he is really depressed but is too scared to actually kill himself, so he just kind of drifts along in his own little world. And other people can probably connect with that too.

Shinji is the representation of the stereotyped otaku who prefers simply to be in his own mind and avoids the pain in life. I don't think he is a coward, I mean fighting gargantuan angels from heaven with telekenytic powers should be worth some points, but I think labeling him as a coward is unfair.

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Postby coff » Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:48 pm

If he was a coward, there would not have been an episode 2.

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Postby max3000 » Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:54 pm

coff wrote:If he was a coward, there would not have been an episode 2.

Couldn't have said it better myslef, mate :D
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Postby EVA-01X » Fri Jul 09, 2004 6:19 pm

That just about sums it up, or there would have been an episode 2 with just third impact occuring in it :D
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Postby TheMessiah » Fri Jul 09, 2004 6:21 pm

coff wrote:If he was a coward, there would not have been an episode 2.


a lot of what you say just seems funny considering your avatar
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Postby coff » Fri Jul 09, 2004 7:32 pm

TheMessiah wrote:
coff wrote:If he was a coward, there would not have been an episode 2.


a lot of what you say just seems funny considering your avatar


What about my avatar? I don't understand what you meant by that...

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Postby EVA-01X » Fri Jul 09, 2004 8:58 pm

Actully I can kinda hear Jet saying somthing like that in one of his sarcastic tones
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Postby RubberSoul » Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:15 pm

Wow, someone I can really agree with on this issue. I don't think he's a coward at all because all of the emotions that Shinji is going through at the time is very complicated.

I wish people didn't make such generalizations about the characters. (Ex: Misato is skank, Asuka is a bitch, and so on...)

That's fandom for you. :lol:
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Postby Dave » Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:19 pm

Twice Shinji refused the comfort of the womb in order to return to reality. That's two more times than I would have. He's no coward.
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Postby Asuka Langley » Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:12 pm

RubberSoul wrote:Wow, someone I can really agree with on this issue. I don't think he's a coward at all because all of the emotions that Shinji is going through at the time is very complicated.

I wish people didn't make such generalizations about the characters. (Ex: Misato is skank, Asuka is a bitch, and so on...)

That's fandom for you. :lol:

Thank you for saying that. :D <3

Anyways, a lot of people seem to forget that Shinji is more or less a child still.
I mean, he is only 14. People can't expect a child to be able to deal with such responsibilities and NOT have problems with it.

In no way do I think he's a coward. He handled his situations the best way he knew how, and considering that he hardly had anyone to guide him, he did quite well.
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Postby GraveDigger » Sat Jul 10, 2004 12:29 am

Shinji wuss, maybe. But the thought of Shinji and Rie geting it on is sick.... Think about it, Rie is part Shinji's mom and part angel. I could see some body else, but not Shinji, I would be like Bill and Ted"Its your Mom dude". Okay maybe its not that bad, but it would be odd...
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Postby sadsadshinji » Sat Jul 10, 2004 5:52 pm

he isnt a coward...he's just too scared to fight and has no reason to...
and him getting it on with Rei? that just isnt right...

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Postby max3000 » Sat Jul 10, 2004 7:04 pm

sadsadshinji wrote:he isnt a coward...he's just too scared to fight and has no reason to...
and him getting it on with Rei? that just isnt right...

Actually he has a reason. He has a few reasons as a matter of fact.
And Rei? Why not? I mean she is a human being after all.
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Postby EVA-01X » Sat Jul 10, 2004 7:24 pm

S/A fan S/R relationship evasion tatic #1: We view it as incest seeing that she is made from his mothers genes. Hmmmm.... maybe to avoid a flame war I should start a new topic.......
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Postby MongolSquad » Sat Jul 10, 2004 7:29 pm

It doesn't seem like incest. Its a freak situation. Most people worry bout having sex with ur sister, but in Evangelion. Nooooooooooooooo. We have to solve if having sex with a clone that has part of your mothers genes is incest, plan wrong or just doing what comes natural. Oh what have these forums come too...... :roll:

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Postby EVA-01X » Sat Jul 10, 2004 7:34 pm

Okay yall if ya wanna discuss the issue about who Shinji is getting hot and heavy with check out the new topic in EVA Chit-Chat. I still say it's incest though....
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Postby Dave » Sat Jul 10, 2004 7:36 pm

They are only fourteen... even if they were going too they would probably wait at least a couple of years.. oh wait... third impact.
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