GUNBUSTER - before EVA anno's greatest work ;D

[cat42]

Ok, here's something I'm wondering.
In Top o Nerae 2! (Gunbuster 2, Diebuster, what ever, the one with Nono and Lal'c) they refer to some of the topless as Candians. Yes, Candians, not Canadians. So, I'm wondering, is this a term Tsurumaki made up for the series? I can't seem to find an answer anywhere.

[Trigger's Elysium]

Best plot twist...

You can't talk about good plot twists until you have experienced Ever17. The greatest plot twist. Ever. Holy christ.

[Rabid-Sachiel]

I recently finished Gunbuster. I heard that many of Hideaki Anno's themes that he uses developed in this anime. Anyway, I just wanted to know what the deeper meaning in Gunbuster is.

[Mr. Tines]

the deeper meaning in Gunbuster

Tits sell more videos.

[Rabid-Sachiel]

What about the isolation and time difference stuff?

[BrikHaus]

No, just tits.

[ZapX]

Again, please look through the thread list before you make new topics.

Also, tits.

[The Eva Monkey]

the deeper meaning in Gunbuster

Tits sell more videos.

HARD WORK AND GUTS.

ALSO:

Yelling real loud makes your robot kick more ass.

[BrikHaus]

Yelling real loud makes your robot kick more ass.

A great trend that realized its full potential in Gurren Lagann.

[Rabid-Sachiel]

Then how could Anno's greatest work before Eva be a pile of perverted super robot mayhem? There HAS to be a deeper message besides tehe BOOBIES.

[Gendo'sPapa]

It doesn't need to have a deeper meaning. It's just a really well told story over the course of three hours. That's about it.

Jaws is just the story of some killer shark. No real deeper meaning to that film. Doesn't make it any less of a classic.

[Electric Sachiel]

Then how could Anno's greatest work before Eva be a pile of perverted super robot mayhem? There HAS to be a deeper message besides tehe BOOBIES.

Blah Blah Blah....

Looks like someone over analyzed this stuff. Does everything churned out by Anno have to have some underlying meaning? I mean come on.....

I suppose some have said in the past that Gunbuster had some parallels that could be drawn to WWII and how the Japanese were faced an almost hopeless situation against a uber superior enemy. Perhaps. But again most of this speculation was the product of critic conjecture over the course of the last few years. its really debatable.

I dont believe Anno ever admitted to deliberately hiding parallel metaphors and messages that express his feelings about the outcome of WWII no?

[Great Genius Shinji-Sama]

I need to watch gunbuster. But I have seen pics in Danbooru with what looks like Jung and Noriko flirting with Shinji. I was wondering what anyone else thinks about that? Actually I like the thought of Noriko/Shinji shipping, for some reason.

EDIT: I've also read in Newtype and other stuff that Jung might be Asuka's "prototype?" (im not sure if thats the right word). Also I believe Juing would really give Asuka a run for her money in pilioting AND for getting the baka's affections!

[Xard]

Then how could Anno's greatest work before Eva be a pile of perverted super robot mayhem? There HAS to be a deeper message besides tehe BOOBIES.

what do you mean with "deeper meaning"?

In certain ways Gunbuster has kind of surprising depth: not in terms of philosophical ruminations but as a manifesto. Early GAINAX was anime's new wave with entirely new philosophy at making anime. Gunbuster is full realization of this philosophy. And then of course there's that experimental edge to their works since the very beginning with Honneamise: making Gunbuster's last ep b&w was very ballsy move for example, made partly sheerly because it was something no one had ever done something like that before. Gunbuster's "depth" comes from formal aspects of art, not from the content per se.

If you search for depth in Gunbuster you find it it from its form: how even this early on Anno was bringing stuff and methods into anime form and directing that does not exactly scream "anime" as it was back then. Anime directing had since early 80s been shaped by so-called Oshii method: Anno was pretty much only one going against this method back then.

Then there's the whole ideology & anime "theory" thing going on in Gunbuster. You really can see how dearly GAINAX loved what they were doing. Gunbuster is their tribute to anime, science fiction etc. Despite its "commeciality" it was very pure and honest expression and worthy of title of "pop art" which I rank above "mere" entertainment. Right after NGE Anno said once that GAINAX only animated things that had personal meaning and relevance to them, that they were extremely selfish and arrogant in that respect... They didn't make products, they did what they loved. (Irony of this statement in light of this decade's GAINAX is hard to miss.) This certain artistic purity permeates Gunbuster what in other hands would've just been another product...


Of course GAINAX purposefully made Gunbuster very commercial: Wings of Honneamise had been financial disaster and they really needed some money to keep things floating. When GAINAX began they wanted to aim at ultrasrs "art" anime like what was made by Isao Takahata etc.

Here's what Hiroki Azumi said:

Talking about his previous works... In the 80's, when Anno was 25, 26 he and his friends made Honneamise, Gainax's [Anno's production team] first animation film, which was not directed by Anno. Anime fans were very disappointed about that because they couldn't find any beautiful girl. Gainax's second work, the first animation film directed by Anno, was a typical Anime video called >>Top o nerae<<. It was made for Otaku : filled with stereotypical features appreciated by Otaku. To Anno the making of this anime was very ironical... so he uses the word irony.

What to do when your ultra artsyfartsy project fails? You give market wha they want and while you love and hold dear what you do you can't escape the irony of the situation.


Gunbuster is at the same time commercial, pure and ironic. Is it "deep"? Depends on which aspect you concentrate.

In any case it is one of greatest animes in existence

[Mr. Tines]

filled with stereotypical features appreciated by Otaku.

That's a round-the-houses way of making much the point I was making.

[Xard]

filled with stereotypical features appreciated by Otaku.

That's a round-the-houses way of making much the point I was making.

Of course, but it wasn't just about milking (hurhur) otaku off their moneyz

[Sailor Star Dust]

I just watched Gunbuster (renewed DVD fansub along with the Science Lesson specials, very funny), and I gotta say this series is absolutely amazing. 10/10 imo. (Yes, I'll discuss Diebuster in the other thread.)

[Alaska Slim]

I dont believe Anno ever admitted to deliberately hiding parallel metaphors and messages that express his feelings about the outcome of WWII no?

Right...

deliberately hidden parallel  SPOILER: Show

On Gunbuster's alternate future -- is it dominated by Russia?

ANNO: "There's a Japanese Empire. In the year 2000, the U.S. and Japan had a war, and Japan occupied Hawaii. Sorry. "

Nope, nothing here.

[Xard]

I just watched Gunbuster (renewed DVD fansub along with the Science Lesson specials, very funny), and I gotta say this series is absolutely amazing. 10/10 imo. (Yes, I'll discuss Diebuster in the other thread.)

was it first time you saw it?

Gunbuster is brilliant show, the last 4 ovas are perfect

[Sailor Star Dust]

I watched episode 1 and 2 a few years back but never got a chance to finish the series as a whole, so yeah, I watched episodes 1 through 6, then Diebuster.

It's an amazing show, and now I'm trying to recommend it to other people. My only compliant which was minor is I felt Noriko's love interest was rushed/mostly a plot device (I didn't feel emotionally invested in that aspect), but otherwise I have no criticisms of the show.