As much fun as locker room talks and male bonding through gentalia laced innuendo are maybe you should find a more appropriate venue for them.

Originally posted on: 17-Sep-2005, 16:27 GMT

EDIT: Hey, here's another brain-teaser for Sharp-kun on the "Anno's original intentions" deal. Adam is depicted with a core (or what looks like one, anyway) as early as the OP. And you contend that the "underground giant" was originally supposed to be Adam, yet s...

Well, there's always EVA-01... http://evageeks.org/ANF-Archive/images/naughty.gif I find it odd that Gendo doesn't seem quite as affected by the totally weird and grotesque stuff that happens with Rei in #23. Where did that "rare sign of emotion OMG Rei's in trouble!" reaction...

valuable only by the sheer fact that she is useful (namely to Gendo). Which is why Gendo shows such concern for her. http://evageeks.org/ANF-Archive/images/rolleyes.gif Examples are episode 5 where he injures himself to get to her (which was unnecessary), or in Ep 19 - just watch hi...

1) If LCL came from big-Adam-on-the-cross, where were they getting it beforehand? (Before getting Adam in #08.) 2) Where did 'Adam's legs go? Little Adam had four limbs; why wouldn't Big Adam? 3) What was attracting the Angels to the Geofront when Adam was in Germany...

I am once again forced to concede the point. They only appear to be hints about Lileth when viewed in the context of the series as a whole. Whatever else can be said, the final concept of Lileth certainly fits nicely with the early hints that were given about Rei. You are, however, correct to point...

Context? I presume that you mean that in a context outside of NGE, such as the mythical Lileth who was the first wife of Adam? No, the term angel in NGE has at least 2 contexts: 1 - beings born of Adam, as said several times in the series. Lilith does not fit this. 2 - Whatever suits NERV, such as ...

I would like to point out that in cuts #30-32 from the OP, you see: An image of Kaoru, an Image of Rei in front of the moon, followed by the word 'ANGELS'. What could be more obvious? Kaoru and Rei = Adam & Lileth. Without the other evidence to back it up, it would be extraordinarily fl...

And a thought just occurred to me. If Lilith HADN'T been planned from the beginning, who the heck was going to be Angel #2? (The Angels' numbering is mentioned as early as #3, when Misato calls Shamshel the 4th.) Again, that doesn't scream "Lilith". It simply shows tha...

For myself, I find it hard to swallow, that Anno himself didn't know the answer of who this mysterious "someone" was, when he had Rei pose the question in #14. It's an ambiguous point, because the name "Lilith" doesn't come up until #24, but I think the whole Rei/Kaw...

Well, I certainly disagree with "nothing to suggest". There are hints in Rei's monologue in #14, and certainly some definite non-verbal hints in #14 and #23. They suggest that Rei is different in some way, but they make no connection at all to Lilith herself. Instead we get "Lili...

I'm not sure how seriously I can take the idea that Anno was "making it up as he goes"; certainly from #14 on, the story unfolds in such a complex, tightly integrated way that I think he had to have had all the main story elements mapped out in his mind already (recall also, btw, ...

I dunno... It seems to me that her special relationship with EVA-01 was planned ahead of time, considering that they call Sho a "TEST TYPE" from the very beginning and the first time we see Lil, her legs are missing and she is bleeding from... you know where, i.e., in the state resulting ...

As far as the whole deception issue, I still can't think of any real good reasons for muddling Lilith's identity. Would it have really made any difference if we were told who she was in episode #15? Well, we know that each episode was pretty much written at the time, with only the overall s...

Here's an outlandish (and completely ridiculous) idea that plays off of this original statement by Shin-seiki. Perhaps the Lance was Liliths S^2. She gave up her S^2, changed it into the lance and used it to neutralize Adam. This would also satisfy the idea that Lilith would atleast nee...

No, SEELE's first method doesn't lack Adam, because as Keel said "Eva Series were built for this moment", when they surround Eva 01, wich makes me believe, almost admit, that they were created as the "Adam" part of their original equation. It was most likely SEELE just p...

Well, I know its stated that the S^2 is the fruit of life... but what is the fruit of knowledge? How do we know the angels don't have it after all. All that poetic language Fuyu uses doesn't explain much, does it? The Fruit of Life is generally considered to be Science: The End of Evangelio...

How do you know Lillith wasn't? Fuyutsuki talks about the childrens, but not the originals. Remember, Adam was considered a god, and if you take that Fuyutsuki spoke for both Adam and Angels, Adam would have been no angel then, not possesing the fruit of wisdom. Remember, Ritsuko tagged Adam as...

Still, if Lillith had no S^2.... did she have some sort of umbilical cable?? I think its more reasonable to believe she, same as Adam had an S^2 in order to operate, and more considerin its a source of life. Its not known how Lilith would have had power. If she had had an S2 though she would have h...