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by honsou
Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:09 pm
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: So that Ritsuko/Seele scene
Replies: 274
Views: 63720

@honsou I've not looked into interrogation techniques as practised in any detail -- but when you have things like this happening quite matter-of-factly, the onus is really to back up the suggestion that people are too nice to do that sort of thing. Again rape as punishment. Rape is used as puni...
by honsou
Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:55 pm
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: So that Ritsuko/Seele scene
Replies: 274
Views: 63720

Try reading this thread. I've given more reasonable alternatives to each hint. Learned helplessness is a condition that takes time to develop and is highly unlikely to arise in a situation where you are continually being offered an exit. No it doesn't take a lengthy time to develop in this ...
by honsou
Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:20 pm
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: So that Ritsuko/Seele scene
Replies: 274
Views: 63720

Someone here has a very rosy view of what the human species is like. I put out the same challenge. Give me an example of when this occurred. I have read the most horrific things humanity could do, Mengele, Unit 731, what goes on in Africa. But give me an example of when these methods were used in a...
by honsou
Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:42 am
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: So that Ritsuko/Seele scene
Replies: 274
Views: 63720

Looking at the line in isolation, sure. In conjunction with other hints, not so much. What other hints? It isn't about trust, it's about desperation. You can A) deny us what we want and continue suffering or B) give us what we want and hope we honor our promises. I suppose perhaps t...
by honsou
Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:45 am
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: So that Ritsuko/Seele scene
Replies: 274
Views: 63720

We've been over this already. I didn't say she wasn't affected, I said she wasn't outwardly showing the effect. I also provided a source showing that this sort of denial is in fact one of the 5 common responses to rape. Or its not denial which would be the simplest explanation ...wh...
by honsou
Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:29 am
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: So that Ritsuko/Seele scene
Replies: 274
Views: 63720

She uses the word "ryoujoku". Same one that Kiel used before and she was careful not to when she responded to him. Just something to think about. Again: insult, affront, disgrace, indignity; sexual assault, rape . And "can" does not imply anything about whether it actually happe...
by honsou
Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:58 am
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: So that Ritsuko/Seele scene
Replies: 274
Views: 63720

Depends on your translation. Literal translation project has "When he is in my mind, I can bear any insult." Okay even better, her saying "I can bear any insult" definitely means she wasn't raped. I mean I've heard rape be called a lot of things, but an insult is not one...
by honsou
Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:43 am
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: So that Ritsuko/Seele scene
Replies: 274
Views: 63720

I have been saying for several pages that it is hinted at. Clearly, you do not agree. Completely disagree here, All you got is a naked Ritsuko. She clearly says "Could endure" and not "did endure". Which would imply while shes ready to go though that sort of thing she never actu...
by honsou
Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:29 am
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: So that Ritsuko/Seele scene
Replies: 274
Views: 63720

No. I'm suggesting that Anno had neither the time, the permission, or the interest in devoting a whole episode to a character's literal rape, especially when it accomplishes no particular plot function to show it. And there's plenty of shit more horrifying than that which he shows. All ...
by honsou
Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:41 am
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: So that Ritsuko/Seele scene
Replies: 274
Views: 63720

Because look what's happened since then. Misato and Fuyutsuki both gave Seele plenty of information, but since they were questioned, Nerv has fucked up their own dummy plug project more or less permanently, given an Eva an S2 engine, effectively lost the pilot of another Eva, blown up the third...
by honsou
Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:31 pm
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: So that Ritsuko/Seele scene
Replies: 274
Views: 63720

The reason she destroys the dummies is essentially because she realizes that Gendou would rather have her get raped than he would Rei. If you replace "get raped" with "provide intelligence to Seele" or "stand naked in front of a bunch of old men," the entire character ...
by honsou
Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:23 pm
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: So that Ritsuko/Seele scene
Replies: 274
Views: 63720

Put another way, if nothing worse than being naked happened to her, and she learned that Gendou was at fault for it, it would be reasonable for her to go "wtf man." Not, you know, betray the last ten years of her life and work in nervous breakdown. Ah, but this isn't the whole story. ...
by honsou
Sat Nov 27, 2010 6:22 pm
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: So that Ritsuko/Seele scene
Replies: 274
Views: 63720

...which might be a problem if the GC was introduced prior to the trauma, which I specifically said did not happen. The GC enters the scene during a break in mistreatment like a white knight, willing to stop this ongoing torture if only the subject will help him help her. The GC thus is a rescuer r...
by honsou
Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:59 pm
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: So that Ritsuko/Seele scene
Replies: 274
Views: 63720

This is where you stop making sense to me. Why would Ritsuko be wounded by the fact that Gendou sent her instead of Rei, if nothing bad has happened to her? This is actually fairly simple. Ritsuko knows what SEELE does, they probably do a lot of really horrible stuff to people they integrate. She a...
by honsou
Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:56 pm
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: So that Ritsuko/Seele scene
Replies: 274
Views: 63720

Regardless of whether she was raped or not, Ritsuko's interrogation is not shown. We are left to assume that she told Seele a great deal about NERV, but this is never shown to happen; what is shown is the important bit, the turning point, where she decides to do this. Exactly, and the turning p...
by honsou
Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:11 am
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: So that Ritsuko/Seele scene
Replies: 274
Views: 63720

GC/BC works both ways, either as protection from horribleness or as a escape from ongoing horribleness. In either case the 'good' actor leverages the presence of the other to make themselves seem to be reasonable and caring by comparison, operating on a emotional level that undermines the s...
by honsou
Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:57 am
Forum: Completely and Utterly Off-Topic
Topic: WTF is yer avatar & sig from?! (d)
Replies: 1987
Views: 199627

Shinya Aoki right after shattering Mizuto Hirota arm with his magical submission pants.
by honsou
Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:29 pm
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: So that Ritsuko/Seele scene
Replies: 274
Views: 63720

If you're trying to break someone down with a good cop/bad cop routine you do; Cause trauma, offer relief... repeat as necessary with two different 'faces'. And yes, the questioning is just now starting; they likely didn't bother to ask her anything before submitting her to the firs...
by honsou
Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:38 pm
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: So that Ritsuko/Seele scene
Replies: 274
Views: 63720

How exactly does this indicate that this is just the start of the interrogation? That she is already naked and they are treatening her with further degradation indicated that she has already been interrogated in a humiliating fashion. i.e. we are starting this interrogation in media res. One thing ...
by honsou
Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:06 pm
Forum: Evangelion TV Series + EoE Discussion
Topic: So that Ritsuko/Seele scene
Replies: 274
Views: 63720

I thought she seemed rather out of it for the duration of the tour, wandering off into all sorts of dialog tangents, her tone completely different than her usual speech, rambling and hard to follow info dumps... All of this I found indicative of a lack of mental and emotional clarity. You're fr...

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