If it's not the resilience nor the composition that indicated 09 was a VoA to Mari, what could it have even been?

Reichu#772814 wrote:GO. REWATCH!

Obviously I will have to do this.

If she'd made that realization during her first scuffle with 09, perhaps she might have shared it with the rest of the Wunder crew, so that Asuka didn't have to waste time (and consequently sacrifice Eva-02 due to a lack of it) figuring out Mark.09's true nature! The concept of ...

The idea of them digitizing an Adams soul isn't out of the question, considering they have Kaworu available. However, this would raise the obnoxious question of why Mark.09, the housing for a fake, would be a VoA, and yet Kaworu, the housing for the real deal, would not. Further annoying is tha...

The lack of ATF only means no soul, not no core. Kaworu does impale Eva 13 right in the place a core should be, suggesting there's one there. Also, Eva-06, which is almost certainly a reappropriated Adams, definitely has a core. True, but the ATF-generating soul is normally housed in a core. If...

With the confirmation that Yui is functioning specifically as shogouki's "control system" in Q, we have at the very least the implication that a core without such a control system isn't viable for use in a piloted eva. While this doesn't limit the number of possible alternative...

Interesting that the song lyrics are basically enticing Shinji to the grave. Typical tonal irony I guess. The singer seems more likely intended to be Yui, considering Rei q isn't really dead and there's a lot of ambiguity regarding the status of Rei, whereas Shinji has learned already of Yui...

I honestly still believe that the Four Adams we see are actually Liliths that have bonded with Adam like in EoE or are Unit 01s and that they are there to represent the number loops that have occurred. Here's my original post http://i.minus.com/ibdU4pqjevHDrR.jpg + http://i.minus.com/i5u7WUCq1y...

I don't think that that's necessarily his EoE self as Shinji wore a school uniform for most of the first two movies, but the lead up shots and the atmosphere is very similar. I'm pretty sure it's meant to be an EoE reference, considering the setting of the shot is a literal mirror o...

Last I was aware, there was no consensus as to what "Vessel of the Adams" actually means. Maybe I'm forgetting something, but I can't recall any overt suggestion that a core shaped like a Eva and a giant biomechanical bird-ship represent the "true form" of anything. (...

You say "happens to occur in a setting" as though it wasn't designed or arranged by someone with their own intentions. The idea is to guess at those intentions by what the designer has placed together. I agree with what you said about it offering a larger number of things that would b...

Infinite Freedom Machine : I believe what I said above more-or-less covers your question. Just because we are given an explanation through an incomplete narrative --- not direct confirmation from the creator(s) as far as I'm aware --- doesn't mean it's the only intention. Couple...

The points is this: just because they do have an in-universe explanation that works on its own, and they can appear to be seen as simple call backs, does not, in any way , debunk them as also being potential hints of what Anno may be going for. Right, but this raises the question of why you believe...

The most interesting thing about the short IMO is definitely the shot of the four adams. The short is at a minimum set in NTE, so regardless of the short's canonicity, we can take that shot as a shot of the same four figures in 2.0, now biologically suspended and about to become research subject...

The examples I gave didn't say any of that though. Shinji wandering a desert. That's from Q. The black moon is on it's side. That's from Q. Shinji is depressed. Though this can be seen from Q, it is a common life script Shinji carries with him throughout the sees, metaphorically rep...

unitM#771886 wrote:What you're saying is correct, however, I don't see how what I said doesn't meet your standards at all.

Well the implication that there's an established logical connection between NTE and NGE/EoE beyond a series of visual callbacks isn't true.

The point of a reference is that it's similar to the object being referenced. The purpose of the reference (IE to establish a plot connection or to subvert/utilize an extant visual language) isn't defined merely by the fact that references are made. Edit while I agree they aren't...

An official short, 4 Asukas, and plenty of EoE references. I find it funny how people are still finding a disconnect between NTE and NGE/EOE but whatever, if there's one thing I picked up from Eva, people always have something to defend. :shifty: It's not really that people are finding a di...

I like how it's a callback to both the MP Evas during 3I along with a continuation(?) of what could have happened in NTE 2I (Misato flashback told by Kaji). This seems likely; at least it seems much less probable that the shot is meant to be after Q, and that somehow eva 13 and ...

The shot of the four adams is pretty inexplicable. Who stuck those spears in them? When did that occur? If one was turned into mark 06 and the other eva 13, what happened to the other two? Regarding the short's canonicity, there's no apparent reason why it should be discarded as irrelevant t...

Well you got a few pretty large ones in Rebuild already, depending on how you classify a breakdown. I'd say trying to murder your Father after he made you mutilate your peer constitutes a breakdown. As does not caring when a giant, viscera leaking robot gets thrown through the wall in front of y...