I am sorry Asuka




That's the shittiest question ever came to my mind.Anno told us he does but didn't how often.

Any idea?

Though if i seriously talk about it .I have some understanding about psychology.
"When there's no way of desired connection,brain may desperately(Desperation is optaional) fantasies it as a safer way of outlet".
Shinji doesn't only has sexual attraction but emotional attraction repressed to as you can see in eoe.

It's hard to say what Shinji wants sexually,He watches Misato as a mother figure.But also has sexual frustration as shown in episode 20.Yet Misato and Rei didn't accused him of fantasizing them,only Asuka did.It mostly tells me that he is hypersexual(common in traumatized kids or teens maybe ) and sexual attraction for Rei and Misato might be unwanted.
In eoe in second interaction when Asuka's lips,hips,buts,cleavage etc etc are shown.Many people think it's dehumanisation but it's beyond that.
They forget that the body is shown in red colour pallette which means danger,pain or death,Since we are watching it from Shinji's perception it's his perceptive.
Even when dummy system was launched in unit 01,The colour Pallette changed from purple to red to show death or danger.

And then Shinji's hand just hangs dead,meaning shame and afraid.l when show was about to get started.
Then his eyes(face) are shown with shameful and strained expression.

And guess what perception perfectly matches with a hypersexual person with low self esteem.(Though I am not that hypersexual but it perfectly matches my perception of it,I am annoyed from it now).

Or simply Shinji is afraid of sexual interaction or sexual attraction acts as an barrier atleast for him.Or another thing can be his afraid of intimacy.

So yup at some point he wants sex at some point he is afraid.Sighh.it becomes hard to say what he wants.

So,Shinji’s Case His fantasies reflect repressed longing, low self-worth, fear of rejection.
Asuka’s Criticism She’s confronting him for emotionally hiding from her, even though he had strong feelings.

Hospital scene might be seen as spilling out of those fantasies.As he his moral compass at that moment is completely gone.

Another thing from my depression is sadness.

Whenever I was numb I had no mood of umm that.... . Similar goes for Shinji.Most of the nights I have seen him on bed(in series).He is numb or depressed,and it's not a very a good mood to do it(depression can effect your libido greater than you think).I remember when I was depressed my sexuality(even alone) was repressed.Though still let's say if he is actually tired of suffering loneliness,only then I can think of him doing that,But keep in mind that(In Shinji’s case, he’s clinically depressed, emotionally numb, and overwhelmed with guilt and fear. These things deeply affect not just his thoughts but also his physical urges and behavior.
Even though he’s a teenage boy with normal hormones, his mental state suppresses his desire. Depression lowers dopamine — the brain’s pleasure chemical — which often leads to loss of sexual drive and energy.So no, Shinji wasn’t fantasizing about Asuka constantly. His depression and emotional numbness likely made those urges rare, disturbing, and tied to shame instead of pleasure.).
In Shinji's case till end(meaning after episode 18).There are very less chances because I am pretty sure he is not in a right mood.
The chances are of between episode 10 to 16 mostly.
Though anno could be showing how incapable is Shinji to connect by showing his libido.
Though that's my view on his sexuality.( I am intentionally ignoring kowuru)
Let's say what do you guys think.

And hehe I am again sorry if my post is too ummm ...... *Cough**cough*You know umm... *Cough**cough*That..... .

I don't think Shinji is hypersexual, he probably has lower than average libido for a 14 year old boy, although it can be argued his puberty is coming late. He obviously has a great deal of repression, including from within. So to answer your question... maybe not that much, probably. He finds Asuka kinda annoying or weird at first but pretty quickly gains interest of course, same for Asuka herself. He is certainly attracted to Rei and Misato as well but in that case he conflates both with mother/family figures. Maybe it dissipated instead? I don't get the feeling he is attracted to Hikari, or Maya for instance, and he only blushes with Ritsuko out of embarrassment as well.

What is relevant and often missed is the fact that Asuka uses Japanese wordplay to make it clear that Shinji did masturbateto her *before* the hospital scene. It's unclear if she knew about it before Instrumentality (though it is Instrumentality that grants her knowledge of the hospital incident), but the language clearly implies it was already a habit of his by that point. And in an earlier version of the EoE script, the hospital scene would instead take place in Shinji's own room with him thinking of her breasts instead. NGE is usually estimated to take place over some 6 months and Shinji's life went from mostly static to... very eventful. I imagine that could perfectly coincide with his hormones and libido kicking in as well over that time period. Asuka of course also consciously teases him, trying to get a reaction out of him. This cultiminates in Ep 15 kiss when she gets ultimately frustrated at his passivity. So the dynamic is that Shinji would rather masturbate to her than act out on his desires even when Asuka is actively (though clumsily) trying to get him to. Of course, this is also part of her own very adolescent idea that having sex will make her into an adult.

Nope actually I am very confused for what he wants,I first thought my question is shitty but now I am serious because I think it is little important to think.

Though she kind said that it's habit but...... . Maximum I got to see was episode 10,Even there I doubt was he imagining them? Because he got embarrassed through there words but,When he was listening he was rather embarrassed and kind of self loathing for imagining them at same time.He didn't got to know that he has ummm.... .

I guess where I talked about Asuka's zooming in second interaction(eoe).
Maybe it was wishing something but afraid.
But red colour pallete is too much for afraid and then his body expression, he is clearly strained, embarrassed and fearing something.
That's where my mind starts to boggle.
He is making such view of his sexual attraction yet he is fantasiezing her like a habit.Wtf.
And that's where the main question starts,If he is fantasiezing why so afraid?

Because we know it's Shinji's heart and inner world and it means he is afraid of that.Looks like someone has to seperate the thread for 'Is Shinji afraid of sex?' though I tried to find thread like I want to but it's hard to search such thread in hord of thousands.

Sorry @FelipeFritschF i don't know how to properly quote(and it will take time)
"What is relevant and often missed is the fact that Asuka uses Japanese wordplay to make it clear that Shinji did masturbate to her *before* the hospital scene." I think I mentioned that indirectly maybe( i don't have experience for explaining).i am not looking.

"but the language clearly implies it was already a habit of his by that point."
That's where problem actually started.
I don't think that should be the case.Because when depression and numbness are higher then it can effect your libido for temporarily.And after episode 22' i don't think his chances should be high though especially after episode 23, i kind of finding it to be illogical that he will even do that till ending.
Maximum chances I think are between episode 10 to 22'(though 18 should be better).

and it still kind of makes me wonder what made anno put that on.it is psychological almost illogical,A traumatized depress kis having low libido,But having higher fantasies.
I asked chat gpt for more psychology.
2. Fantasies often arise from libido.
Someone with higher libido tends to:
Think about sex more often
Fantasize more frequently
Experience stronger urges
3. Someone with lower libido may:
Rarely think about sex
Have infrequent or muted sexual fantasies
Be emotionally or mentally distant from sexual thoughts

In Shinji’s Case (or real-life parallel):

If a person is clinically depressed, emotionally numb, and overwhelmed with guilt, it’s very likely their libido is suppressed, which leads to less frequent fantasies, or fantasies that are blended with shame, fear, or emotional confusion — not just raw desire.
(Which can again rote your for sex and pretty much make that undesirable.The fact that in earlier scripts Shinji would call himself a scum even after jacking off in his room.That's not pleasurable,what was anno thinking again )
I guess that's a mistake by anno and only hypersexuality can explain that.
(Now I dare someone say that living with ladies might effect it,It is impossible to have have it like a habit even with that if you have low libido).
(Instead it should turn into disgust,pain or guilt which again discourage the person to do it).

But main question arise is now that is he he afraid of sexual interaction?
Looks like I should make another thread because there's only two posts here.

Quite often, I'd say. Asuka implied this in the train scene in EOE.
I guess it makes sense. Shinji always found her attractive, and they also lived together. It's easy for those feelings to get confusing when you're so young. In a way, they're friends, coworkers, and "brothers" all at once...

[email protected] above there's serious discussion .
Because there are many things (psychologically) which can Contradicted Asuka's say itself.From what I know Shinji don't has any sexual attraction to even you can say any beutiful girls.He don't even gives shit to girl following of him in starting.He didn't watched Rei(in swimsuit) by lustfull eyes even when toji and kensuke umm counted her beauty which is still kind of enough to give you feel normally.And at such point he doesn't know much if she's his mother or anything.yet he is just curious.

Which kind of shows he is not a pervert.yet can like female interaction,because we know he" keeps her pictur in his wallet(pocket more accurately) " .

I think Anno didn't planned showing such libido to such an extenct.Because I am tired of researching libido.
And each time I only got to see that the trauma Shinji has, his libido should atleast lower than normal yet it is shown like was never traumatized sighhhhhhh
And probably craves very much.
Is Shinji Anno's mental punching bag.

So i guess i have it's just anime and anno wants us to hate him .(In everyway possible).

Kharis1212 wrote:[email protected] above there's serious discussion

I don't understand what you mean. I read the posts above. I just decided to give my two cents on the matter.

Kharis1212 wrote:From what I know Shinji don't has any sexual attraction to even you can say any beutiful girls.

However, this isn't true. In the second episode dedicated to Shinji and Asuka's friendship, he tries to kiss her while she's sleeping and was clearly attracted to her at that moment (he was staring at her mouth and breasts). He also shared similar moments with Rei in episode 5, for example.
The fact that he doesn't take any action beyond this is described more as his own inability to open up to others and take risks than as being depressed and lacking sexual libido.

Kharis1212 wrote:So i guess i have it's just anime and anno wants us to hate him

Shinji's sexual desire isn't a problem, and it doesn't make him a punching bag in any way. In fact, it just makes him more believable (since such behavior is exactly what you'd expect from a 14-year-old). What he did to Asuka in the hospital was disgusting and wrong. But that aside, it's hard to blame him for being attracted to other girls his own age. That's exactly what puberty does to anyone.
I'd also like to emphasize that Shinji wasn't clinically depressed throughout the series. Things got progressively worse for him, culminating in The End of Evangelion. But for most of the story, he was just a kid suffering from really serious problems and in an incredibly strange situation. He still felt happy, made friends, connected with his roommates, went to school, and had a relatively normal life. Just go back and watch episodes 7 through 16.

BernardoCairo wrote:However, this isn't true. In the second episode dedicated to Shinji and Asuka's friendship, he tries to kiss her while she's sleeping and was clearly attracted to her at that moment (he was staring at her mouth and breasts). He also shared similar moments with Rei in episode 5, for example.
The fact that he doesn't take any action beyond this is described more as his own inability to open up to others and take risks than as being depressed and lacking sexual libido.

Actually I am sorry,from beautiful girls I am trying to say about his other classmates rather than Hikari Rei and Asuka.Which we probably see in background.Maybe in earlier episodes before episode 5 or 4.We get to see many beautiful girls in background but he just totally ignores them like they don't exist.

And actually I was actually pointing out that.
That Shinji has a barrage of mental problem and trauma.
And with such barrage and trauma it's very hard to have a normal level of libido.Libido is the reason person has fantasies.Instead he should guilty which should result in lesser of that.(As we know Shinji will call himself a "scum" even after masturbating at home,so he should instead not do it and the accusation that he does that quite often or everyday,habit means umm everyday)(or maybe she is saying that he uses her as side dish when he is depressed which again don't make sense,but I will try to believe it).
What I was trying to say is that Asuka saying that Shinji has habit of using her as a masturbatory object.But the amount of digging I have done says that with such amounts of trauma and mental problem his libido shouldn't be enough to have masturbation as habit.he should masturbate(between episode 10 to 18 or 22 where his frequency should reduce logically).but after that is hard to think of him masturbating because trauma began resurface again.Ans the way she said,he was doing it close to end?illogical.
So I thought maybe anno wanted to say is that don't be Shinji (though it's my own frustration).



And I don't blame you for not understand standing my previous posts.
I had put many questions and maybe explanations and kind of mixed them.

However I just got know that even my say is maybe wrong.Depression indeed reduces a person's libido.And Shinji should be depressed in nights(seen him like that most of the times,depressed and numb).and that should indeed be a problems with that.
Though libido doesn't have much effect on sexual urge if person himself forces to do(let's say he got bored and say why not,so he forces himself against his mood).But still what makes me wonder is,if he is depressed at night,how can he have such amounts of libido to do it every night?
but still in night when he doesn't have something to do he might just do that.Because of PTSD he might not be able to sleep well.He can't rely on s-dat very much.and in emotional numbness he might try to find something.Sighh.so maybe what Asuka said can be a case.

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I totally agree with you.ye forgive me that I am editting now.

Probably not that much. Maybe when they first meet he thinks about her more? We aren't given a rundown on every single thought he has, but considering he's shown pondering his relationship with his father as well as having the stress of fighting the angels etc it's obvious she's not on his mind 24/7, As much as she secretly would prefer that.

Ringworm128 wrote:but considering he's shown pondering his relationship with his father as well as having the stress of fighting the angep.[/s]

I mean there's in episode 12 I think he was feeling pretty shitty after Asuka got pissed upon his growth in sync rates that he straight asks Misato what's wrong.

And radio which kind a act as guide tried to show it in a romantic way that Shinji felt like he was in a relation and that felt like he had a break up with Asuka which is consistent if you consentrate on there relation till the end.

Though.. the thing is neither japanes or English is my primary language so till this time,I have no idea of radio said was really a some kind of romantic thing or its just my brain.

The dialogue was something like ".... Don't get all sulky if you are dumped by a girl.."(“RADIO:“from "Mr. Wah" of Tokyo-2. But you know, don't get all sulky because you got dumped by a girl.””).
This av dubbed,and I did tried to find orignal translation because this was impossible for my another post for consistency because this was 2ndary level of canon.


So maybe he did started from pretty early.like from episode 10.
Because what radio said feels like comes from Shinji's dreamscape or from his fantasies.however it's... Not garunteed it's that early he might have started.but it is pretty easy to think that it's before episode 20.

And his frequency should have become more after episode 20, because of overwhelming stress.
As according to Asuka it's more of a habit..... Consistent with his age so .. yeah my compass needle points he might have started in between episode 9 or 12.

And eitherway.. i don't think he would have done before the series started........ Because he is pretty clumsy uk....


Man what am I thinking about .maybe its exam stress .

At his age? Maybe multiple times a day. whether he is feeling it emotionally or not.

Darth Plato wrote:At his age? Maybe multiple times a day. whether he is feeling it emotionally or not.

Lol yeah you are true but we can't say that he does whenever he has time.Shinji is a child with AvPD+PPD.Meaning he do fear doing it if even single party is at home.Hence... the only time he can do is either at night or maybe.... When he is totally alone knowing both will come after a while.

Edit:
Mmhh extreme burst of horniness can be a reason lead to doing multiple times per day. Lol.