Is the Rei in the NTE a Rei 2 at all?

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Postby The KKM » Tue Sep 03, 2024 9:56 pm

Hi everyone. Was going to make an account to ask this here, turns out I had a near unused one from ages ago, lol.

Was just curious about this. Has any supplemental material, or any material in the movies themselves, indicated if the Rei we follow through these movies, the one Shinji starts the Near Third Impact to rescue, was Rei 2? It seems everyone assumes so since she was the second Rei in the show, and you'd assume you need a Rei 1 to have existed so her soul can be placed in the Eva; but the second half of the Rebuilds clearly shows that we can't assume the general mechanics of the Evangelions are the same as the show, and without that, I don't remember anything stating she's the second Rei. Ritsuko's mother was removed from the story altogether, so it's dubious if we still get her killing Rei 1; Asuka gets an entirely different backstory, and Anno stated Rei's scenario is different in these movies, too, so it's got me wondering if we're even given any indication that the Rei we see isn't the first Rei to have existed in the first place.
But I'm not in as deep as people would be in an enthusiast forum, so I can very easily believe there's some indication I missed, forgot, or if not in the movies themselves, then in some interview or art book. Hoping if there is, someone can point me in that direction!

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Postby BernardoCairo » Tue Sep 03, 2024 10:12 pm

"Rei II" is written on her choker in some part of HA. That's why we know she is the second one. That doesn't mean Rei I was killed by Naoko like in the original show. But there was another one before her.
Anno did say he wanted to put Naoko in the movies at some point, but she had to be cut due to time constraints. So maybe she was meant to kill Rei I like she did in the original show, but that idea was left in the cutting room floor. Or maybe it has nothing to do with that. I mean, Gehirn doesn't even exists in NTE, so this entire section of the story would have been changed either way.
I guess we will never know. Same with Rei 3-5...
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Postby AsukaShikinami10 » Wed Sep 04, 2024 4:36 am

Here you have:

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Postby Konja7 » Wed Sep 04, 2024 10:30 am

View Original PostBernardoCairo wrote:"Rei II" is written on her choker in some part of HA. That's why we know she is the second one. That doesn't mean Rei I was killed by Naoko like in the original show. But there was another one before her.
Anno did say he wanted to put Naoko in the movies at some point, but she had to be cut due to time constraints. So maybe she was meant to kill Rei I like she did in the original show, but that idea was left in the cutting room floor. Or maybe it has nothing to do with that. I mean, Gehirn doesn't even exists in NTE, so this entire section of the story would have been changed either way.
I guess we will never know. Same with Rei 3-5...


You're completely right. We could confirm there was a Rei I, but we may never know how she died.

My curreny theory is that Gendo didn't know Rei I would need the LCL baths to survive (as Rei I was the first), so she just died like Rei Q.

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Postby BernardoCairo » Wed Sep 04, 2024 10:43 am

I would say he "programmed" the Ayanami series to be like this. He used this to his advantage in Shin. The death of Rei VI was part of his plans according to Fuyutsuki. Plus, Asuka is not like that. Which probably means the two series had different goals for him.
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Postby The KKM » Wed Sep 04, 2024 2:21 pm

View Original PostAsukaShikinami10 wrote:Here you have:

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Thank you!

Man that's, that's very easily missable lmao

I wonder if we can also then assume Rei 1 is in the Eva- I really get the feeling that in the NTE we're not meant to take "soul inside of Eva" to be something mandatory but rather something that happened exclusively to Unit 01- but knowing my luck there's probably some other background detail somewhere in the billion screens going "Rei 1 is in Unit 00 dummy" lol

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Postby AsukaShikinami10 » Thu Sep 05, 2024 1:55 am

The KKM wrote:
I wonder if we can also then assume Rei 1 is in the Eva- I really get the feeling that in the NTE we're not meant to take "soul inside of Eva" to be something mandatory but rather something that happened exclusively to Unit 01


There is a sequence in Evangelion 2.22 were we can clearly appreciate the extraction of Eva-02's core. If you look carefully to it, it is an artificial one as opposed to the one Unit-01 has.

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Now if we go ahead to NTI, when Shinji pulls out Unit-00's core from the 10th angel (held in Unit-01's right hand in case you can't perceive it well in the image), it seems to be a real core like Unit-01's. It has no inorganic material surrounding it as the one from Unit-02.

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Postby nerv bae » Mon Sep 30, 2024 9:49 am

This topic reminded me that Reichu speculated about Rei 00, Rei 01, Rei 02, etc., in the context of a storyboard cut from Q:

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View Original PostReichu wrote:The films have included callbacks to the original MP Evas starting with 1.0. If any resemblance is intended, it doesn't mean that Mk.10 is going to literally be the MP Evas of 3+1, if that's what's being implied. In addition to the hints already posted that it's the Second Adams' Vessel and has some kind of connection to Eva-01, there is also this:

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This is from the part of Fuyutsuki's expodump in Q that didn't make the final cut. I did my best to reconstruct what got hidden by the "missing number" sticker. The left hand column is the Rei's serial number, right hand is the Eva she was assigned to. (Rei Q's number being 6 is in the cut dialogue. Matching 7 to 7 is just intuition. Rei 00 is probably not really a "Rei" as such and instead refers to the weird facility, hence the "O.K" next to it. Both it and Rei 1 are sectioned off from the remaining lineup, interestingly.) There's so much information here that it probably deserves its own thread, but... me lazy. As for the topic at hand...

We can see at the end of the Rei lineup that there is "Infinity" pointing to what looks like a "JOIN" symbol with two circles around it. The script reveals that the Rei heads behind Fuyutsuki are part of a factory -- Rei heads are being mass produced. These being "Rei Infinity" gives me super bad vibes, considering the skulls in Central Dogma are also said by the script to belong to the Failures of Infinity, and they are obviously Lilin- rather than Eva-shaped. (This is not an accident, since unique non-Lilin skulls were designed for Seele, and these can't even be detected in a casual viewing!)

The mass-produced Rei are assigned NOT to Mk.10*, but to... I have no idea how one would pronounce "JOIN with two circles around it", so I'll just say JOIN for now to keep it simple. JOIN is pretty obviously our actual MP Evas, and if you think that this element got dropped and replaced with "lots of Mk.10", a version of the symbol actually does appear in Q on the Black Moon's surface.

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This probably still won't be enough to lay the "10 = MP Eva" thing to rest, but a girl can only do so much, I suppose.

* (Mk.10 in fact seems to be currently missing an assignment altogether -- even though 11 and 12 already have pilots -- suggesting there is something unusual about it. Will the pilot be Rei 6 after her inevitable return to HQ? Will 13 get assigned to Eva 13 -- that feels pretty logical -- or will 13 instead get to pilot Mk.10? 6's preexisting importance makes either one possible IMO.)

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View Original PostMr. M#896404 wrote:What was supposed to be? A blackboard? Hand-written documents or something else?

Image of the deleted cuts here. The storyboard phase had planned for a shot of a "different factory" (to be shown behind Shinji), showing a bunch of capsules on a conveyer belt, possibly empty. In the foreground of this shot, there was to be a display showing the statuses of the various Reis. Then there would be a close-up of this display.

And there is a reason for cutting this out of the movie?

My uncle doesn't work at khara; how am I supposed to know? :tongue: But if you're asking me for a guess, presumably it's because it revealed far too much, and any still-relevant content will be recycled into Fuyutsuki's upcoming scene with Rei instead.

View Original PostArcadia's legacy wrote:Huh. And here i was thinking they were just regular craters

Like, there are plenty of normal craters on the Black Moon in the last act of the movie, and you probably have to be some kind of obsessed maniac who takes way too many screenshots ( :uhh: ) to realize that something funny is going on during a very specific time frame in that sequence. But yeah. I found that by accident a while ago, and I still have no good idea what it's really supposed to be. (Outer rim of crater looks like eyelids, and the inside looks vaguely like... the pupil of the eye, except it has a chromosome coming out of it, and also the iris is a magnetic field, and there's an axis line as if the inner part of the eye is Earth or some shit? WTF???)

But anyway... When I pulled out the Rei listing again, the "JOIN" symbol immediately gave me a flashback to the thing in the craters. All this INFINITY and JOIN stuff feel faintly ominous, does it not? And what's the deal with the double circle? I'm a complete moron when it comes to math, but according to this, "Concentric circles demonstrate that twice infinity is the same as infinity". Oh boy. :bigeyes: Now if only I knew how to pronounce "JOIN symbol inside concentric circles".

EDIT: Asked Prim-kun about the MP Eva symbol and he said

I would say "Rei :infinity: is assigned to a natural join of the Eva's within the set defined by the concentric circles" so if they imply infinity then "Rei :infinity: is assigned to a super-Eva which consists of the natural join of all Eva's"
so I guess in an eva context, this would mean something like a super-Eva that has within it all the attributes that are common to all of the Evas from which the super-Eva is formed

Cue jokes about the MP Evas being like the Buster Legion and forming a giant Eva around the Black Moon. (The Black Moon is the entry plug and core, you see.) This Eva will then go Eva-13 on the now-completely coreified Moon, shrink it down to bite size, eat it, and then... who the fuck even knows.

Of course, emulating Diebuster won't be enough, and the entire planet will have to turn into an Eva and do something weird before the movie is over.

Reichu's discord image links in the quotes above are dead but I believe she was relying on this Tumblr post's discussion of Evangelion New Theatrical Edition: Q Storyboards Collection, from which I have rehosted the relevant image:

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So, in the above image we have some material to chew on about all of the Reis in the Ayanami series.


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