About Zeruel in the second film.

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About Zeruel in the second film.

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Postby CyberXIII » Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:37 pm

Zeruel ate EVA 00 to get around the self destruct in NERV. How did it know to do that?

The Angels are neither mindless nor stupid, and most of them counter whatever beat the previous one. Sachiel was unstoppable by conventional weapons, Shamshel's whips meant blindly charging in was a bad idea, Ramiel made close range combat useless, and so on.

Sahaquiel's self-destructive tactic only makes sense if it was expecting someone else to finish the job of reaching Lilith. But how did Zeruel know how to get around the self destruct system?
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Postby Blockio » Mon Aug 01, 2022 2:19 pm

The easiest explanation would be that the tenth was simply able to sense the explosives and figured that there was no other reason to keep that much of it in HQ.

As for the eigth; the goals there are a bit less straightforward; Reichu has the cliffnotes of her fairly thorough speculation on it on her blog (ctrl+f for "Akira"); some of it has changed since the release of Shin, but the general framework still holds up. The eighth angel is likely to be the survivors of the Katsuragi expedition, being reformed into one being as a sort of mini-Instrumentality on second impact (most important clues towards this: the countless smaller entities around the edge of the angel as well as the two half-Longinus helixes for arms, but there's a chunk more in the larger framework), who more likely than not have their own agenda in parts (see the same color shift used in Impact events when 01 and the 8th wrestle for control, implying that there was more going on in that place than with other angels, by virtue of an Adam and a lance being there). I'm a bit rusty on that side of the speculation, so I can't speak with authority on how this all assembles into the bigger picture, but the angels in the movies are a lot more than meets the eye compared to NGE
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Postby ElMariachi » Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:27 pm

Why would the 8th die after slamming against Earth? AT-Field were shown to grant absurd resistance, and several Angels were shown to have regenerative abilities, so maybe its strategy was simply to use its AT-Field to avoid being torn to shreds by the impact (he he) or if it is damaged by it, to simply regenerate and finish the last trek to Lilith.
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Postby Blockio » Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:17 pm

No, the 8th was fairly explicitly described as a living bomb; I seem to recall some line about it concentrating its ATF to blow itself up, but I might be conflating that with something else
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Postby Liptonn » Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:23 am

Well it could just be argued that zeruel can consume the eva's for more power or whatever reason and this just happened to be in line with terminal dogma being unable to blowup when eva's enter it.This is similar to how the angels after zeruel in nge become more haxed and attack the psyche instead of brute like aarael,armisael and kaworu(To some extent)

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Postby DantesInferno » Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:26 am

What I don't get regarding the 10th Angel's "self-destruct bypass plan" is, What prevents the Nerv staff from detonating the explosives manually? (like Makoto and Misato discuss in NGE episode 24)

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Postby Blockio » Mon Jun 05, 2023 4:45 pm

It could be that there are no manual overrides because idk, Seele lmao or that it requires multiple authorized key wielders, some of which are not on site and won't be in time, but realistically, this is a case where the scene was not thought about too hard and it was just put in as a neat thing to show off tech/metaphysics
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