C.T.1290 wrote:I wonder what was the point of creating the Shikinami series, other than NERV having some kid’s life to ruin and to be used a tool for Instrumentality. Since she’s technically their property, they’re free to do what they want with her.

So why make clones to pilot Evangelions, instead of finding some recruits? It’s like Asuka has no other real purpose in life.

Edit: Also, from another thread:

MsenjaKagami#939015 wrote:[Asuka includes herself when describing their "built in limitations" such as their "insufficient emotions". It doesn't say specifically that Asuka was also "programmed" to like Shinji, but I think it's definitely intended to suggest that she is aware that she didn't decide her own feelings..

nerv bae#939021 wrote:1) The limiters, preventing the pilots from transcending human limits, are implemented as inefficient emotions in the sense that those emotions are incomplete, poorly-formed, or weak: under this interpretation, Asuka is explaining that their emotions are defective and that she and Rei don't feel as much as regular people.

2) The limiters, preventing the pilots from transcending human limits, are implemented as inefficient emotions in the sense that all emotions are unnecessary, superfluous, and just get in the way: under this interpretation, Asuka is condemning emotions alltogether and implicitly wishing that she was emotionless.

I think I'd always assumed that #1 was correct but now I'm thinking #2 fits Asuka better.

These right there is another difference between clones and real people. They are, at the base of their creation, just organic robots. Some bio androids, if you will. And it’s that difference is why clones could never be true human beings. And it’s why they’re considered fake; their emotions and everything else about them, all fake.

I really think they should just have Asuka remain as a normal human being like she was in NGE, and not some…thing created in a lab.

Asunji_Yuko wrote:Yeah the whole "mock Lilin" thing was confusing and kind of dumb.

Blockio wrote:Well, not quite; the implication by the time of her death in Shin is that her empty vessel had begun growing a soul of its own through the experiences she made. This subsequently also dispels one of the core hangups that some people have in this thread: What makes a human is what you yourself make of the life you were given, not how you were given it. By the time Kaworu calls her a fake Lilin, he does so because she is an empty vessel with no identity of her own; the minute she begins having that identity, she becomes as much of a lilin as anyone else

Blockio wrote:By the time Kaworu calls her a fake Lilin, he does so because she is an empty vessel with no identity of her own; the minute she begins having that identity, she becomes as much of a lilin as anyone else

Axx°N N. wrote:So we can surmise that Kaworu would have called Helen Keller a fake lilin and 360 moonwalked away. In a philosophical framework, it's a troubling and insufficient notion to say that a person is a person only when their expressed identity fits your standards and definitions. Isn't that tantamount to saying that a person is less of a person (in the sense of being a human being by category) if they have, say, identity crisis or disorder? Rei can only be considered human if she adopts the habits, attitudes, and values of whoever she encounters? Excepting the fact that Thrice confirms this to be akin to soul formation, there's really no good reason to say that's not just mere mimicry.

Blockio wrote:By the time Kaworu calls her a fake Lilin, he does so because she is an empty vessel with no identity of her own; the minute she begins having that identity, she becomes as much of a lilin as anyone else

C.T.1290 wrote:Wouldn’t the same thing apply to Asuka? I mean, if she were based on a person, then that face wouldn’t exactly be her own but rather borrowed from someone else.

C.T.1290 wrote:Wouldn’t the same thing apply to Asuka? I mean, if she were based on a person, then that face wouldn’t exactly be her own but rather borrowed from someone else.

Axx°N N. wrote:So we can surmise that Kaworu would have called Helen Keller a fake lilin and 360 moonwalked away. In a philosophical framework, it's a troubling and insufficient notion to say that a person is a person only when their expressed identity fits your standards and definitions. Isn't that tantamount to saying that a person is less of a person (in the sense of being a human being by category) if they have, say, identity crisis or disorder? Rei can only be considered human if she adopts the habits, attitudes, and values of whoever she encounters? Excepting the fact that Thrice confirms this to be akin to soul formation, there's really no good reason to say that's not just mere mimicry.