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Thanks for the translations DantesInferno!
For the FoIs with an Angel-like mask, looking at Jinroh's post with the images of the early version of 3.0, I think that this is the concept art of what the FoIs should had started to transform into when Fourth Impact happens, my guess is that this is supposed to be the final stage of the transformation of humanity into beings with FoI but without FoK.

DantesInferno wrote:Side note on the Mark.09... I never really understood how it gets its head blown off so easily by Eva-08's handgun shots, even though afterwards it is always depicted as being pretty much indestructible —even before "awakening": remember Mari's dialogue when she "snipes" it, and the ineffectiveness of the rounds at making any damage.

Perhaps the initial head we see was not the Mark.09's head morphed into the Eva-00 appearance, but just an attachment, a mechanical part made of regular materials (not core), and the actual head was in a "pulled in" state to make room. Durung the final act of the movie, the Mark.09 does not "regrow" a head, but it just pulls its actual head out (doesn't explain why they waited until 4I/unit awakening to do so though...).

That's an interesting theory, it's true that the recoil of Unit 08's pistol when it blows up Mark.09's head implies that it has a high caliber, but later in Lilith's Chamber, the same Mark.09 is hit several times by Unit 08's fuckhuge sniper rifle, which only manages to pin it on the floor without any damage.

Assuming that WILLE already fought the Adam's Vessels in the past, it's possible that the head we see them having in Thrice (the angel mask with their number engraved in Roman numeral on it) is their real face when they are in a "normal" state, and NERV just lobbed it off from Mark.09 and replaced it by a cyclops head attachment in order to trick Shinji into thinking that it was an upgraded EVA-00.

As for why they kept it headless for the incursion in Lilith's Chamber, well, why bother replace it? Mark.09 doesn't need to to function (or even for its pilot to see where she's going) and it'll regrow its head when Fourth Impact starts anyway.

What muddles the water with if WILLE already fought the Adam's Vessels is that the person who identifies it is Mari when she blows up its head, which normally would indicate that WILLE already knows about them, but with Thrice's revelation that she knew much more that she let on and kept a lot of knowledge to herself, with the implication that in a lot of her lines in 3.0 (notably when she identifies EVA-13 as one of the Adams, or that there shouldn't be a 13th Angel and understood Gendo's plan) she was actually talking to herself, I'm not so sure.

ElMariachi wrote:^
Thanks for the translations DantesInferno!
For the FoIs with an Angel-like mask, looking at Jinroh's post with the images of the early version of 3.0, I think that this is the concept art of what the FoIs should had started to transform into when Fourth Impact happens, my guess is that this is supposed to be the final stage of the transformation of humanity into beings with FoI but without FoK.

Yes, it totally looks like the angel-masked infinities transforming into Reis; much like what we saw in 3.0+1.0, but with the heads still attached

ElMariachi wrote:What muddles the water with if WILLE already fought the Adam's Vessels is that the person who identifies it is Mari when she blows up its head, which normally would indicate that WILLE already knows about them, but with Thrice's revelation that she knew much more that she let on and kept a lot of knowledge to herself, with the implication that in a lot of her lines in 3.0 (notably when she identifies EVA-13 as one of the Adams, or that there shouldn't be a 13th Angel and understood Gendo's plan) she was actually talking to herself, I'm not so sure.

I don't know if Wille have already fought the (up intil then, only) Adams vessel a.k.a. Eva Mark.09. Ritsuko and Misato are certainly aware of its existence and original purpose (and of course Mari too).

When Misato picks up the phone in response to the Mark.09 attack on the Wunder, she says "本命のお出ましか", which literally means "Is this the appearance of the favorite?", i.e. "Have they (finally) sent the real deal this time?" (as opposed to the "small fry" that were the Mark.04 series). This doesn't imply anything, though with regards to previous encounters, I think.

It's also not evident whether Mari realizes it's the Mark.09 because: A) It gets it's head blown off yet keeps operating (not much time passes between it and her sying the line, tohugh), or B) It does take the hit straight, without signs of an AT-field of any kind.

ElMariachi wrote:^
Side note on the Mark.09... I never really understood how it gets its head blown off so easily by Eva-08's handgun shots, even though afterwards it is always depicted as being pretty much indestructible —even before "awakening": remember Mari's dialogue when she "snipes" it, and the ineffectiveness of the rounds at making any damage.

I'm not sure we can really make heads or tails of the weaponry used in Eva and especially the NTE, if only because of the obscure mechanics of AT fields (what they stop and how you can pierce them sometimes but not others and you cancel them sometimes but not other, etc...) and how much weapons they use in the films. Mari uses an energy rifle in the beginning of 3 (or so it seems ?) but the one at the end is a little ambiguous... She does end up loading special dart rounds in that rifle which suggest it's conventional (combustion / explosive powder) based. Those rounds are absorbed by Unit 13 (?) without effect (?) despite being physical objects because it has no AT field on its own without its drone satellites.

Mark 9 to 12 have no AT fields or never use them that we see IIRC. Bladed weapons, bullets / shells (I imagine the ammo used by Eva in their guns are more akin to artillery shells in size) or bombs will work just fine on breaking cores once the AT field is passed, though projectile weapons have the lowest success rate overall. But then again, as said above, Mk.9 doesn't seem too squishy to Mary's rifle. And Asuka's bullets in at least a couple of occasion are useless against "fully core" robots (either the Angel surrounding Eva 13 or the Mk.9 on the wing of the Wunder) so...

Mari's gun doesn't seem like a copy of an existing one scaled up that I know of (looks Glock-ish but with that huge block in front of the trigger ?). In the series they used a Desert Eagle analogue to suggest it's higher caliber. Though I'm not sure the ballistics ladder really add up (or if it's realistic to have fully automatic weapons at that size). .357M, .44M or .50AE are high caliber & powerful relative to other handgun ammo.

DantesInferno wrote:I don't know if Wille have already fought the (up intil then, only) Adams vessel a.k.a. Eva Mark.09. Ritsuko and Misato are certainly aware of its existence and original purpose (and of course Mari too).

When Misato picks up the phone in response to the Mark.09 attack on the Wunder, she says "本命のお出ましか", which literally means "Is this the appearance of the favorite?", i.e. "Have they (finally) sent the real deal this time?" (as opposed to the "small fry" that were the Mark.04 series). This doesn't imply anything, though with regards to previous encounters, I think.

It's also not evident whether Mari realizes it's the Mark.09 because: A) It gets it's head blown off yet keeps operating (not much time passes between it and her sying the line, tohugh), or B) It does take the hit straight, without signs of an AT-field of any kind.

Oh yeah, I forgot that line from Misato, that all but states that indeed, WILLE fought it in the past. (and now that you mention it, that made me remember that I noticed the same thing years ago on this forum! )

That makes me wonder if they also fought the rest of the squad (10 to 12) in the past, they didn't seemed surprised by EVA-13 having the number 13, nor the presence of the three other Adam's Vessels (it was the presence of the battleships that surprised them), so it's possible that they had indeed encounter with everyone through the years.

As for Mari not realizing that it was an Adam's Vessel, I can see two reasons:

• she thought that it was just a normal Eva that neo-NERV pulled out from somewhere to trick Shinji into thinking that it was EVA-00, and realized that it was actually a disguised Mark.09 when she blew its head off and it kept moving. Although it's shown that WILLE can identify the energy signature of the Evas, so she should had known from the beginning that it was Mark.09.
• they actually never managed to damage Mark.09-12 until now, and though all this time that those were just normal Evas with a very strong armor (I doubt that Asuka and Mari would suck to the point of never having landed a hit against them in 14 years!), and it's only when Mari finally managed to damage one that she realized that hey, this is not a normal Evas, but an Adam's Vessel! So that means that the three others are probably Vessels too! It's possible that they never managed to damage them enough to figure that out until now, and this time it worked because Mark.09's cyclops head was just an attachment for the mission. That would explain why Mari's pistol blew off its head, yet later her giant sniper rifle didn't even dented its armor despite taking several direct hits: because this time it was its actually, nigh indestructible body.

This is probably the best place to put it short of a dedicated thread, but I don't think it warrants that without a transcript and stuff, but a nice tidbit here:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... yamura.mp3

Miyamura went on Hayashibara's talk show, Tokyo Boogie Night. Yes. The same one listed on Gwern, where they talked about Eva 25+ years ago, and they're doing it again, though this talk is about Miyamura's upcoming book. Apparently they are friends IRL and it's super cute.

Short excerpt from my translator buddy, Darkbluezero:

They're saying they weren't aware of the notion of the timeleap initially
So, they're basically implying stuff changed a lot as the movies went on
Other than that, nothing much
Ahhh, also, she was basically told "forget about Sohryu's existence"
Yeah, that was basically the meaning of it
But, they said "ganbarimashou" when it comes to performing Asuka and Rei :LASPepeAdmire:
i.e. it's not over doing those characters

FelipeFritschF wrote:Short excerpt from my translator buddy, Darkbluezero:

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But, they said "ganbarimashou" when it comes to performing Asuka and Rei :LASPepeAdmire:
i.e. it's not over doing those characters

I'd like to better understand the meaning of "it's not over doing those characters". This statement was made in a contemporary interview about post-NGE feelings 25+ years ago, or about contemporary feelings today (i.e., even in 2023 "it's not over doing those characters")?

FelipeFritschF wrote:Short excerpt from my translator buddy, Darkbluezero:

They're saying they weren't aware of the notion of the timeleap initially

I remember reading here that only Kaworu's VA was made informed in advance for the timeskip, and that everyone else learned it the day they started to work on 3.0.

nerv bae wrote:

FelipeFritschF#939824 wrote:Short excerpt from my translator buddy, Darkbluezero:

I'd like to better understand the meaning of "it's not over doing those characters". This statement was made in a contemporary interview about post-NGE feelings 25+ years ago, or about contemporary feelings today (i.e., even in 2023 "it's not over doing those characters")?

If it's the second, then that could hint to future works set during the timeskip, then Rei's VA would get to voice Rei Q or her predecessors.

Significant info, folks. Khara is busy working on something that's not Eva or Shin KR, and - 46h was completed as early as November. Depending on when they started working on it, they probably didn't take very long to finish it at all.

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FelipeFritschF wrote:Significant info, folks. Khara is busy working on something that's not Eva or Shin KR

I can't find it but I vaguely remember when Shin Ultraman came out last year there was an interview with Hideaki Anno in the back of the theatrical pamphlet where Anno mentioned after he was done with Shin Kamen Rider he was planning to help Kazuya Tsurumaki on an original idea of his. So maybe a new Tsurumaki show or feature?

The pipe dream is full length Iconic Field, but I doubt that is gonna happen