Raikyu wrote:That's an interesting interpretation DantesInferno. I think that everything you said makes sense.
I just want to add that Eva-13 could possibly be Kaworu's original body, just like in the original show Kaworu is the reincarnation of Adam. Considering that Asuka calls that unit "God's Eva", it is consistent with Kaworu's previous god status and how Gendo was able to merge with said unit. The initial lack of AT-Field could mean that its soul is no longer present, because it reincarnated in Kaworu. Then, during the fight between evangelion 13 and unit 01, the first one presented an AT-Field, because it now has a soul, which is Gendo's soul.
Yes, I came to basically the same conclusion. Now Gendo is God, so Eva-13 is his unit.
I also though about Kaji's line about Kaworu being both the First Angel and the last... The Alpha and the Omega, if you will!
Konja7 wrote:This is one of the reasons why I don't think SEELE'S God is Kaworu. SEELE's lnstrumentality in Rebuild includes humanity giving up the Fruit of Knowledge. There is no way Shinji could be happy that way (Shinji wouldn't even exist anymore).
Also, in 3.0, it's pretty clear Kaworu doesn't want the Fourth Impact, which "purify" the souls (and it's the last step in SEELE's plan).
Not to mention that Kaworu's friendship with Kaji implies that he was always on WILLE/human side.
I agree that Kaworu doesn't seem to want Fourth Imapact, at least not as depicted in Q. This is food for thought... But there's a case for him wanting instrumentality nonetheless, at least in a more EoE way. I'm not sure if "Shinji wouldn't exist" after instrumentality, a lot can be discussed about that! We know the FoK is given up, but there's no implication that individuality would disappear.
No, Kaworu is not "Seele's God"(that would be Lilith, I think), but just "(a?) God".
Anchorhead wrote:Has anyone considered the idea that the Golgotha Object itself may be the Book of Life? I mean, it's the big mysterious object covered in godly writing that allows one to alter the course of reality. Kaworu placing his and Shinji's names together in the Book of Life is said to be why they keep meeting -- in other words, the Book is not a record of what is in the universe, but rather, the universe is what is written in the Book. I think that jives pretty cleanly with the Golgotha Object's purported properties.
This makes a lot of sense!
Anchorhead wrote:There's also been some pretty heavy implication throughout Rebuild that Kaworu is not only the First Angel but also, literally, God, or at least a god, and a primordial one at that. I mean, the First Angel must have manifested before Lilith, given that Angels' numbers are a measurable physical property and not just something humans assigned them; therefore, Kaworu is billions of years old at minimum. The Minus Space is the realm of the gods, the Golgotha Object is the instrument at its center that can change the nature of reality; If anybody in Eva would be familiar with the Object or have used it before, it would be Kaworu. The "Book of Life," then, would just be the Object's true name, or at any rate the way that Kaworu chooses to refer to it.
The only issue I now see with this Kaworu is God business is, how do we fit this with him "starting out at the coffin", at the end of 1.0 (and likely, in every iteration as well). But I guess we need to make sense of what the whole idea behind the coffins and the repeat is really before we can have that discussion...