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Ok imma put it back to the topic then.
Hopefully the english version of the manga will be commercially released soon along with the international release of the movie.
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Hopefully the english version of the manga will be commercially released soon along with the international release of the movie.
Beautiful art.
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The EVA-EXTRA-EXTRA booklet was something that came for free with a ticket to the movie, but I guess Khara could always decide to sell it after the fact. I did assume that it being free to begin with meant that Khara wouldn't then monetize it for foreign audiences, though I suppose I don't know why I made that initial assumption...
The manga being free was also why I felt more comfortable translating it. It felt less like ripping something copyrighted that was being sold and more like, I dunno, translating a free poster that came with a movie or something. These are all getting distributed to people who buy tickets, so I supposed you could make the (admittedly flimsy-seeming) argument that if people can read the manga for free that they won't go buy a ticket, but still...
The manga being free was also why I felt more comfortable translating it. It felt less like ripping something copyrighted that was being sold and more like, I dunno, translating a free poster that came with a movie or something. These are all getting distributed to people who buy tickets, so I supposed you could make the (admittedly flimsy-seeming) argument that if people can read the manga for free that they won't go buy a ticket, but still...
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Re: Evangelion manga "day before Q" what can we expect in that manga.
They could just release the commercialized version of the manga as part of the figure, just like Gantz Reika figma.
Or they could also relalese new manga series, and this is part of them. But somehow i don't really like that, just leave this -120 as a lone manga, it made it more special anyway.
Or they could also relalese new manga series, and this is part of them. But somehow i don't really like that, just leave this -120 as a lone manga, it made it more special anyway.
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Nah. I would like more manga about Rebuild movies.
I really think it's possible there will be another manga that focus on Neo-NERV when the movie needs it to reach 10 billion. After all, -120 ended with the apearance of Rei Q.
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I think she's just shown there for general foreshadowing.
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I'm not sure if this was already pointed out, but, about Mari wearing the school uniform; my impression is that she does it to tease Asuka and make her feel a tinge of "jealousy", so as to push her to be more open about her feelings and not continue to bottle them up.
"Look at what I'm doing for the sake of the guy that you like, how does that make you feel?"-sort of thing.
After all she has no reason to be wearing the uniform then and there, during the conversation with Asuka.
As for why Asuka would carry her old plugsuit with her, I find it to be reasonable, as being a pilot is her identity and more than likely she has some attachment to her original suit (like the headgear).
I look at Asuka and Shinji's "romance" as "Beauty and the Beast"-like. With Asuka being the Beast, living in a body that she deems monstrous, and Shinji being the Beauty destined to lift Asuka's curse and give her a human body back. Asuka as the tough, loner guy that falls for Shinji, the timid, gentle girl, except with the genders reversed.
I agree completely with this. Just because you know what's best for somebody, it doesn't excuse denying them the choice; self-determination is what Asuka is denied in that scene and it is what makes her ending worse than EoE (in my mind) even if it is "happier".
At least with the release of this manga chapter they showed willingness to expand on the character, maybe they'll do something more with the release of the blu-ray.
"Look at what I'm doing for the sake of the guy that you like, how does that make you feel?"-sort of thing.
After all she has no reason to be wearing the uniform then and there, during the conversation with Asuka.
As for why Asuka would carry her old plugsuit with her, I find it to be reasonable, as being a pilot is her identity and more than likely she has some attachment to her original suit (like the headgear).
I look at Asuka and Shinji's "romance" as "Beauty and the Beast"-like. With Asuka being the Beast, living in a body that she deems monstrous, and Shinji being the Beauty destined to lift Asuka's curse and give her a human body back. Asuka as the tough, loner guy that falls for Shinji, the timid, gentle girl, except with the genders reversed.
Axx°N N. wrote:Flinging Asuka away after saying an extremely loaded line like "Say hi to Kensuke for me," as if she has no choice in the matter and doesn't get to respond, doesn't scream "interdependent" to me. She's clearly shocked when she wakes up, and then we don't get any followup on how she takes what just occured either emotionally or practically.
I agree completely with this. Just because you know what's best for somebody, it doesn't excuse denying them the choice; self-determination is what Asuka is denied in that scene and it is what makes her ending worse than EoE (in my mind) even if it is "happier".
At least with the release of this manga chapter they showed willingness to expand on the character, maybe they'll do something more with the release of the blu-ray.
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I see no missing response there -
The conversation was simply over.
To begin with, he's giving a belated response to what she said to him earlier.
What exactly is he choosing that's against her will? The only alternatives were Gendo's plan and for her to die along with EVA 13.
The conversation was simply over.
To begin with, he's giving a belated response to what she said to him earlier.
What exactly is he choosing that's against her will? The only alternatives were Gendo's plan and for her to die along with EVA 13.
I wanted to try harvesting the rice
I wanted to hold Tsubame more
I wanted to stay together forever with the boy I like
I wanted to hold Tsubame more
I wanted to stay together forever with the boy I like
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For sure there is a couple of missing "farewells" in that scene. I don't believe Asuka responds to either Shinji's or Mari's farewell and, when she is removed from the beach, she doesn't seem ready for it.
Giving the scene a bit more time and having Asuka say her goodbyes/walk away from the beach by choice would have gone a long way to give her an ending where she is able to take control of her own future.
I'm not saying that he is choosing against her will, only that she gets no say in the matter. The scene would have been written more respectfully if Asuka had stood up, looked at Shinji in the eyes, said farewell and walked away.
As somebody has pointed out already, the existence of this manga one-shot only exacerbates the somewhat dismissive treatment that Asuka and Shinji's relationship receives in the movie.
Giving the scene a bit more time and having Asuka say her goodbyes/walk away from the beach by choice would have gone a long way to give her an ending where she is able to take control of her own future.
I'm not saying that he is choosing against her will, only that she gets no say in the matter. The scene would have been written more respectfully if Asuka had stood up, looked at Shinji in the eyes, said farewell and walked away.
As somebody has pointed out already, the existence of this manga one-shot only exacerbates the somewhat dismissive treatment that Asuka and Shinji's relationship receives in the movie.
Re: Evangelion manga "day before Q" what can we expect in that manga.
It also furthers what I perceive as an objectification of Asuka that I don't find easy to stomach. It's almost as if her function in the beach scene is less of a person in her own right, and more a visual cue and plot device to demonstrate Shinji's development as someone who has achieved awareness of others and grace. Which is what makes it especially ironic and, to the contrary, gives it a haplessly self-involved air, as if his apparent growth is only for his own sake as he sees it, and he controls how he sees it by basically excluding Asuka's participation.
I think Anno et al's intentions were to be similarly gracious and full of equinimity but, you know what they say, "the road to hell is paved in good intentions." For all the perception of EoE being cynical, pessimistic, whatever, at least Shinji isn't forcing anyone into anything and we can take Asuka's re-emergence as an actual indication of her will to live. Not so much with Shin, where instead we're only instructed how much "more mature" Shinji is decided to be by the will of the writing.
I'm trying not to take the manga and run with it and let it shape my interpretation too much, but it really does underline how the writing staff views Shikinami, and to me it's like dressing down and exposing a miscalculation that was already there.
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I thought that by the end of Shin and Evangelion in general, the relationship between the two of them is basically over. Poof! It’s gone. And Anno made sure of it. I seem to recall that Asuka was Anno’s favorite character before being replaced with Mari, which happened with Shinji in the finale. I guess it was his way of saying that Shinji x Asuka just wasn’t meant to be.
And like Anno, Shinji has decided to leave everything behind him, including the people he cared about.
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That's taking the "Shin=I-novel" thing a little too far, or perhaps misapplying it.
To me, Shinji leaving the other characters behind is more like Anno saying goodbye to Evangelion the franchise and those characters specifically. Anno himself has left no one behind, in fact quite the opposite, much of Khara were brought in from Gainax and have been working on Evangelion since NGE, and although Anno has said he's done with Evangelion, it's not like he's going to dissolve Khara or his staff.
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Axx°N N. wrote:That's taking the "Shin=I-novel" thing a little too far, or perhaps misapplying it.
To me, Shinji leaving the other characters behind is more like Anno saying goodbye to Evangelion the franchise and those characters specifically. Anno himself has left no one behind, in fact quite the opposite, much of Khara were brought in from Gainax and have been working on Evangelion since NGE, and although Anno has said he's done with Evangelion, it's not like he's going to dissolve Khara or his staff.
Right, my bad.
Anyway, at this point, AsuShin is basically dead by the end of final film, probably decided it was best to move on from each other. As disappointing it may be for some people, but it is what it is.
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Thought not necessarily Khara, Eva is absolutely continuing, if it weren't this manga wouldn't have happened in the first place. The massive success it's enjoying right now it's already proof of the demand for MOAR. Anno said he was finished with Eva in late 1997, in early 2000 he already wanted to make "Evangelion Part Two". His Gundamization plans are old. I can understand thinking he might have changed his mind based on the NHK doc but that only really makes sense if all you know about is the recent-ish 2016 interview on it, which was AFAIK the first known mention of this in the west. Of course, by that point he hadn't even started work on Shin (probably, would have to check). But these plans have been well known and documented in JP and Chinese media (thanks again to our contributors), and we've already got some of this material translated even before Shin was released. It's been his intention forever. From everything I can tell (and asking Nuke, I guess...), nobody in Japan is not expecting more Eva to come.
And like I said before, while I understand the theme Anno was going for, thematically it feels disjointed from the rest of the narrative and even the franchise. Anno wanted something and impinged it on Shinji in a manner that doesn't make much sense except for the most broad meta reason.
Doesn't seem to be any evidence for that besides what we can guess. The sources, in fact, point the other way. Anno doesn't seem to care much about Mari himself (and for what it's worth, Khara staff has been fighting the Mari=Moyoco thing on twitter, even against Oshida lol). Remember in the 2.0 CRC she was essentially Enokido's brainchild, and even now Maeda describes her as being developed by "an outsider" [to Eva]. That illuminates a little on Shinji moving on to something "else", but uhhhh, Mari Sue representing that with Shinji more or less isekai'ng himself away is maybe the worst choice I can think in-universe. It only makes sense through this meta lens. It would have made more sense to have Shinji with no-one, everyone, or Sakura-san for a true "outsider".
And like I said before, while I understand the theme Anno was going for, thematically it feels disjointed from the rest of the narrative and even the franchise. Anno wanted something and impinged it on Shinji in a manner that doesn't make much sense except for the most broad meta reason.
Doesn't seem to be any evidence for that besides what we can guess. The sources, in fact, point the other way. Anno doesn't seem to care much about Mari himself (and for what it's worth, Khara staff has been fighting the Mari=Moyoco thing on twitter, even against Oshida lol). Remember in the 2.0 CRC she was essentially Enokido's brainchild, and even now Maeda describes her as being developed by "an outsider" [to Eva]. That illuminates a little on Shinji moving on to something "else", but uhhhh, Mari Sue representing that with Shinji more or less isekai'ng himself away is maybe the worst choice I can think in-universe. It only makes sense through this meta lens. It would have made more sense to have Shinji with no-one, everyone, or Sakura-san for a true "outsider".
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From what I could tell, all three ships died in order,
Reishin in 2.0, Kawoshin in 3.0 and Asushin (shikinami) in 3.0 + 1.0, all three were tragic stories
The only ship that did not fall officially (if we could call it that way),between rebuilds and NGE, is Asushin (Soryu), but we will never know what happened next .......
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Reishin in 2.0, Kawoshin in 3.0 and Asushin (shikinami) in 3.0 + 1.0, all three were tragic stories
The only ship that did not fall officially (if we could call it that way),between rebuilds and NGE, is Asushin (Soryu), but we will never know what happened next .......
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Sorry for my English, it is not my native language
Re: Evangelion manga "day before Q" what can we expect in that manga.
I get the message of Asuka (shikinami) - Shinji finally over in the last movie.
But then they release the 3.0(-120mnt) manga.
Even before the manga, the farewell scene for Asuka seems abrupt and "unfair" since they seems to be deliberately blured the lines between shikinami & soryu, the Asuka is Asuka stuff, is like they tries to end all Shikinami & soryu that we knew so long but they don't really have the guts to realy state that. (i'm aware there are statements that said they're not related at all).
Now that we know what the manga is all about, it made her ending in the movie seems even less deserved.
Asuka's ending in the movie is just like Shinji in a hurry, being : "Ok Asuka, these are what you need all along whether you like it or not. And I did like you, that's what you wanna here right? so grow up and off you go with Kensuke. Bye", then he pulls the ejection lever on the seat without giving any chance at all for her. And in the epilogue is just like "hey i don't know you anymore"
But then they release the 3.0(-120mnt) manga.
Even before the manga, the farewell scene for Asuka seems abrupt and "unfair" since they seems to be deliberately blured the lines between shikinami & soryu, the Asuka is Asuka stuff, is like they tries to end all Shikinami & soryu that we knew so long but they don't really have the guts to realy state that. (i'm aware there are statements that said they're not related at all).
Now that we know what the manga is all about, it made her ending in the movie seems even less deserved.
Asuka's ending in the movie is just like Shinji in a hurry, being : "Ok Asuka, these are what you need all along whether you like it or not. And I did like you, that's what you wanna here right? so grow up and off you go with Kensuke. Bye", then he pulls the ejection lever on the seat without giving any chance at all for her. And in the epilogue is just like "hey i don't know you anymore"
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AsuShin was never anything other than a toxic mess to begin with (if anything, that's much more true in the OG series) and Asuka never anything other than one out of four love interests, no less flawed than any of the others.
Talking it out years later & parting amicably is the best case scenario here.
I cant believe we deadass got an everybody lives ending after all these years and everyone's bitching about how their ships didn't happen even though this was never primarily a romance show and the actual ending is still, like, super duper open
Most of Asuka's instrumentality sequence doesn't involve Shinji at all & is about admitting to herself how lonely she was all along & what it is she really wanted, reviewing her life in a psychedelic-like sequence.
Shinji only comes in after that process is completed & he's not the one who delivers the lines that lead her to the epiphany.
Also, it's not like we don't see her reaction to his lines even if it's not a strictly verbal one.
Your reasoning only makes sense if you assume she had something left to say, like she was ejected in mid sentence, but she's been saying her piece all over the entire movie.
What is he really 'deciding' for her?
If he asked, "Hey, do you want to stop being fused with this EVA and be alive instead?" she'd probably reply, "What you, stupid?"
It seems like a no-brainer that she would prefer being alive.
Talking it out years later & parting amicably is the best case scenario here.
I cant believe we deadass got an everybody lives ending after all these years and everyone's bitching about how their ships didn't happen even though this was never primarily a romance show and the actual ending is still, like, super duper open
Most of Asuka's instrumentality sequence doesn't involve Shinji at all & is about admitting to herself how lonely she was all along & what it is she really wanted, reviewing her life in a psychedelic-like sequence.
Shinji only comes in after that process is completed & he's not the one who delivers the lines that lead her to the epiphany.
Also, it's not like we don't see her reaction to his lines even if it's not a strictly verbal one.
Your reasoning only makes sense if you assume she had something left to say, like she was ejected in mid sentence, but she's been saying her piece all over the entire movie.
What is he really 'deciding' for her?
If he asked, "Hey, do you want to stop being fused with this EVA and be alive instead?" she'd probably reply, "What you, stupid?"
It seems like a no-brainer that she would prefer being alive.
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I don't really see anyone here bitching about ships. Just because an ending has everyone alive doesn't mean it's good. Imagine cracking open Shakespeare with the expectation everyone make it out alive otherwise you won't be satisfied. To me, what I expect out of narrative is that it all adds up and coheres, and characters living or dying is a secondary concern way eclipsed by whether or not what happens makes sense thematically. Do note this can include characters ending up happy, so long as it feels right by all the other components. But just giving characters a happy ending because it's audience-pleasing isn't organic or from within a narrative, it comes from way out in the exterior and can be incredibly intrusive when you feel the creator rolling up their sleeves and sticking their hand in there to force it to happen.
Kendrix wrote:Your reasoning only makes sense if you assume she had something left to say, like she was ejected in mid sentence, but she's been saying her piece all over the entire movie.
What is he really 'deciding' for her?
If he asked, "Hey, do you want to stop being fused with this EVA and be alive instead?" she'd probably reply, "What you, stupid?"
It seems like a no-brainer that she would prefer being alive.
All one can do is assume, because he doesn't give her the chance. That's why it would be good to, you know, see whether she has anything to say or not instead of just deciding her piece is over. Yes, she has a dialogue with herself, and perhaps Shinji is privy to it as someone within Instrumentality. But on the level of character interaction, on the level of conversation, it just comes across as if he doesn't have any concern for if she's ready or not.
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Axx°N N. wrote:I don't really see anyone here bitching about ships. Just because an ending has everyone alive doesn't mean it's good. Imagine cracking open Shakespeare with the expectation everyone make it out alive otherwise you won't be satisfied. To me, what I expect out of narrative is that it all adds up and coheres, and characters living or dying is a secondary concern way eclipsed by whether or not what happens makes sense thematically. Do note this can include characters ending up happy, so long as it feels right by all the other components. But just giving characters a happy ending because it's audience-pleasing isn't organic or from within a narrative, it comes from way out in the exterior and can be incredibly intrusive when you feel the creator rolling up their sleaves and sticking their hand in there to force it to happen.
I really doubt the happy ending in Shin is because Anno wants to be audience-pleasing. If he wanted to be audience-pleasing, Asuka will likely have more protagonism in the ending.
The (happy) ending is likely influenced for the current emotional state of Anno, but that also apply to all Evangelion.
Also, I don't think the happy ending in Shin is inorganic. It fits the narrative.
Axx°N N. wrote:All one can do is assume, because he doesn't give her the chance. That's why it would be good to, you know, see whether she has anything to say or not instead of just deciding her piece is over. Yes, she has a dialogue with herself, and perhaps Shinji is privy to it as someone within Instrumentality. But on the level of character interaction, on the level of conversation, it just comes across as if he doesn't have any concern for if she's ready or not.
No, it doesn't come across that way. He's just saying goodbye, since they told each other everything they had to say (Asuka said it before the final battle).
Also, I'm sure Shinji knows Asuka well enough to know that she wants to live.
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Would we really know that she had nothing left to say?
Or it was also just an assumption, since this is a super open end.
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When Shinji reveals he has feeling for her, Asuka blush and says "baka-Shinji" (?). She doesn't say anymore after that.
The scene is short, but there is time to say something if Asuka wants.
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