Questions about shikinami clone series and theories about mari makinami

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Questions about shikinami clone series and theories about mari makinami

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Postby The18°angel » Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:37 am

Let's start with Asuka Langley shikinami, in rebuild of Evangelion 3.0 + 1.0 it is revealed that she is the survivor of a series of mass-produced clones to pilot unit 02, which makes me wonder exactly how this connects with Evangelion 2.0 for example the The fact that she is a clone would explain why on this occasion she has a doll as a toy but it does not explain why when arriving in Tokyo 03 she would have dozens of boxes of clothes that she brought from Germany, the rank of captain of the European air forces and a college degree, did her superiors decide when she completed her training that it was a good idea to give her a normal civil life for a while? Also another issue is she aware in Evangelion 2.0 that she is a clone? Why doesn't Misato know that she is a clone if we take into account her interactions in Evangelion 2.0.

In addition, this brings into question what it means to lose humanity for a pilot in the case of Asuka, Rei and Mari (if we assume that she really is a clone). In Evangelion 2.0 CRC there is a deleted scene where SEELE knew that unit 03 was contaminated by bardiel and they were practically offering Asuka as a sacrifice to see what would happen if an angel infected a human. How this comes to play the role of her in 3.0 + 1.0 as a trigger for the final impact is not yet known.
Also how old is Asuka really, why do we know that physically in her first appearance she is 14 years old but taking into account that in the memories we saw during the final impact she appears as a girl inside an LCL tank so she could have only a few years old when it appears in Eva 2.0.

Lastly, the Eva curse is really a curse or is it a design limitation of the people who created the clones. Asuka mentions this during Eva 3.0 + 1.0 that her bodies were designed not to exceed her "human" limitations and she also tells Rei that her feelings for Shinji are manufactured and programmed in Rei, perhaps that also applies in Asuka?

And also Asuka and her "original" what does this refer to because in theory they are both part of the same series of clones, unless the theory that Asuka Langley soryu existed in rebuild but was replaced by a clone as pilot of unit 02 is real. In addition, it is unknown who may be the original donor of it so perhaps that theory.
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Now about mari, she is in a very difficult place to be able to know who or what she really is. The manga that acted as a prequel to Eva 3.0 does not really mention anything important about her except to mention that she has a longer youth than that of the Lilims and others, although that refers to "other" is unknown.
We know that in Evangelion 2.0 she acts like a lone wolf and that apparently she has connections with Kaji and the IPEA that allow her to pilot unit 02, we know that the mechanics about the EVAS have changed and only unit 01 is who chooses who can or not fly it.
She has the nickname "problem girl" and does not have an official designation as Eva's pilot and only appears to be registered with the marduk program at the Bethany base. She also knows how to activate the beast mode of unit 02 although Asuka might have been able to do it in Eva 2.0 due to her training, she does not seem to mind putting her own "humanity" at risk when activating said beast mode. And she also mentions that she does not like working with adults, also at the Bethany Mari base she wears a plug suit similar to the one Asuka wore during her training.

Let's start with the theories:
1) she is a clone of the woman pictured in Evangelion 3.0 and perhaps the one who survived training in that clone series, possibly a contender to pilot unit 02 but was deemed too uncontrollable and was assigned to unit 05 also taking into account that if the third angel escaped, the mission was to stop him at all costs, possibly her chances of survival in that battle did not really matter (whether or not she has the memory of his original is unknown). And maybe unlike Rei and Asuka she's a natural fighter who doesn't let things stop her?

2) she is actually immortal because of some kind of experience that she did in the past involving evangelions or the LCL. It would make sense from the Maria Iscariot thing that fuyutsuki mentions and from the knowledge that she knew that Shinji could still be alive inside unit 01 in the Eva 3.0 prequel manga (or she could just be too optimistic) why she would never tell or mention this to WILLE or Asuka is unknown, also apparently in WILLE she does not wear badges or any symbol that she belongs to the organization which indicates a mercenary-type behavior on her part when piloting unit 08 for WILLE.

3) she had the same fate as SKN's Ymir and was trapped within the core of an evangelion until she came back to life at some point before the events of rebuild of Evangelion and has not aged since then and therefore she literally traveled in time in an unconventional way.

The only problem with theory 2 and 3 is the school uniform that doesn't seem to have room for someone and she went to college although I suppose being immortal could make her eccentric. There is also the whole issue of knowing the "original" Rei, in this case it is impossible to differentiate whether it refers to yui or Rei 2.0 that saved her from the N2 mine explosion since it is due to Mari's personality what seems to be that of someone who uses people's first names even if they don't know them. The only time Mari's personality becomes "OH NOOO" is seen to be when Asuka is eaten by Eva 13.

Bonus point

The curse of Eva

Apparently there are two classifications in the first one, Mari and Asuka seem to fall, where they do not age except for hair growth and where they can only drink water or liquids.

And then there is the classification of pseudo-lillim that Shinji receives, he is able to eat and is vulnerable to the LCL barrier if he stays for a long time. It is unknown if he is capable of aging over time, although that would have been an interesting plot point where upon returning to the wunder it would have been discovered that Shinji can age and become an adult.

What classification kaworu and Rei fall into is unknown as kaworu can survive in space and Rei clones have a tendency to die without maintenance.

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