Holy fuck Beast Mode 8+2 was fucking metal!
As for the first image, I think that it's the first draft of the scene where Asuka is abducted from her entry plug in Shin, and they had to take into account that there still was another pilot inside.

rest in peace 8 + 2, you will live in my heart.

It is so fucking awesome.

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And i thought 05 was forgotten...

GhostlyOcam wrote:During early development stages for 3.0, Unit 2+8 was supposed to be a double entry unit and it got materialized once in the original preview from 2.0.

However, it was eventually scrapped as it would diminish the novelty factor of Eva-13 which had the same system.

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Holy fucking shit. After all this time, the scrapped Unit 08 design seen in the preview for Q.

Won't lie, seeing this makes me wish they reused it even more than I hoped they would previously. Oh well.I'm just glad we finally get to see what it would have looked like.

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"This is a draft of what it would have looked like for one of the pilots to get pulled out of an Evangelion with a double-entry system. We were searching for a good way to respond to Director Tsuramaki, who was thinking along the lines of, "If an AT Field is the barrier defining one's own space..." and how that would look in battle, and our eventual response was Unit 02+08. Our plans for it were alive and well up until around the Japan Animator Expo."

There are some kind of crazy notes in that drawing. I don't have the time right now, but I'd love to sit down and translate exactly what's being said. Stuff like, "Asuka's corporeal body appears as if nothing had ever happened to it" and "As long as Mari's on board, Unit 02+08 will not completely shut down". What an idea for a fight that must have been!

Registration wrote:rest in peace 8 + 2, you will live in my heart.

It is so fucking awesome.

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That's not EVA-05, that's another early draft for 8+2, they toyed with the different ways the two units could be fused, from a Frankenstein monstrosity made from the parts of 02 and 08 that survived and the rest made of cybernetics (with the legs replaced by EVA-05 like wheels), to a full blown Gattai with EVA-02 grafted on 08's back with their hands intertwined.

You can really see the creative madness of the guy that created the batshit insanity that is ANIMA!

ohno2100 wrote:Holy fucking shit. After all this time, the scrapped Unit 08 design seen in the preview for Q.

Won't lie, seeing this makes me wish they reused it even more than I hoped they would previously. Oh well.I'm just glad we finally get to see what it would have looked like.

Seeing some of the concept arts dating from just after Q's release and how different it was compared to what we got (not just in term of design, but nature of it) still make me think that Shin had a shift in the story somewhere during production.

Nuclear Lunchbox wrote:"This is a draft of what it would have looked like for one of the pilots to get pulled out of an Evangelion with a double-entry system. We were searching for a good way to respond to Director Tsuramaki, who was thinking along the lines of, "If an AT Field is the barrier defining one's own space..." and how that would look in battle, and our eventual response was Unit 02+08. Our plans for it were alive and well up until around the Japan Animator Expo."

There are some kind of crazy notes in that drawing. I don't have the time right now, but I'd love to sit down and translate exactly what's being said. Stuff like, "Asuka's corporeal body appears as if nothing had ever happened to it" and "As long as Mari's on board, she won't leave until Unit 02+08 is completely disabled". What an idea for a fight that must have been!

I suppose this scenario is an hypothetical exploration of how an AT-Field is the definition of your soul's boundaries and could be used to represent how you perceive yourself, so when Asuka has her soul(?) pulled out of 8+2, she appears as she wanted to be: from before the Bardiel incident, and with Mari still being in the other cockpit, she serves as an anchor preventing Asuka from being entirely extracted. (it's possible that if whatever force pulling her out is fend off, Asuka would come back to her scarred body, or maybe she would had been restored to her pre-Bardiel body thanks to AT-Field magic)

The Japanese text says 肉体, which is physical form/the flesh. The Asuka we're seeing in that image may well be the flesh-and-blood Asuka, completely unharmed. When OG Shikinami (I love that we're calling her that now) pulls Asuka out of the DSS Choker before it can detonate, Asuka's eye seems to be healed, so it seems some aspects of all this remained.

However, I've yet to translate the rest of the text, and this artist draws his な like ち, so I'll have to spend a fair bit of time on this.

Nuclear Lunchbox wrote:The Japanese text says 肉体, which is physical form/the flesh. The Asuka we're seeing in that image may well be the flesh-and-blood Asuka, completely unharmed. When OG Shikinami (I love that we're calling her that now) pulls Asuka out of the DSS Choker before it can detonate, Asuka's eye seems to be healed, so it seems some aspects of all this remained.

However, I've yet to translate the rest of the text, and this artist draws his な like ち, so I'll have to spend a fair bit of time on this.

Oh, I see, so this drawing is indeed the early drafts of Asuka being pulled out of her entry plug by OG Shikinami, but with the extra steps that since Mari is in the other entry plug, OG can't pull her out and 8+2 will need to be neutralized to complete the extraction.

Every time Yamashita releases a new concept design I feel bad about the movie we got, it is the same as seeing the angels designs in 2.0 CRC. They were much more interesting...

Tank evas would be so fucking kino, I just wanted to be like Hildolfr from MS IGLOO

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Registration wrote:Every time Yamashita releases a new concept design I feel bad about the movie we got, it is the same as seeing the angels designs in 2.0 CRC. They were much more interesting...

They were scrapped for a reason, most weren't what the directors were looking for.

Giji Shinka wrote:They were scrapped for a reason, most weren't what the directors were looking for.

I believe it is more about fitting the what they are trying to use as technology, If you see the 2.0 CRC there are various moments where they decide the tool before rather than what is best for the results. The same in the new movie where anno said no storyboards and went with filming/acting and tracing over it/3D modeling.

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Registration#920851 wrote:Every time Yamashita releases a new concept design I feel bad about the movie we got, it is the same as seeing the angels designs in 2.0 CRC. They were much more interesting...

They were scrapped for a reason, most weren't what the directors were looking for.

Yeah, despite looking cool in the sketches, their execution may not be consistent with Anno's vision.

To be honest im still dissapointed they didnt use the 8+2 idea in any way since Its clear the whole time they wanted them to freely combine and separate.

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Registration#920851 wrote:Every time Yamashita releases a new concept design I feel bad about the movie we got, it is the same as seeing the angels designs in 2.0 CRC. They were much more interesting...

They were scrapped for a reason, most weren't what the directors were looking for.

Yamashita has a talent to create really crazy, cool and original concepts, but doesn't seem to know when to stop, the absolute batshit insanity that ANIMA becomes near the end being proof of this. (although I would had loved to see EVA-08 ICC with mechanical Sachiel arms, the ANIMA inspiration is very evident here!)

From what I understood with a google translate, the main reason these ideas weren't kept was because in-universe the implementation of such designs would need a level of resources and industry that don't exist anymore in the post-N3I world (he write that Eva after Q is a world where heavy industry has been lost), which indirectly confirms that most of the equipment used by WILLE use is scavenged from around the world (the operation in Paris being one of such salvage operations), it's visible in Shin with how the weapons used by the Evas look hastily cobbled together.

That's something that I find odd, since in Q their equipment looks much of much better quality as everything looks like old NERV levels of quality (ex: 08's pistol and sniper rifle, 02's double glaive), even material that logically should had been created after Third Impact (EVA-02's different robot arms, the new 360° view entry plugs, the recharge pods where the Eva only need to put their hand, anti-AT Field rounds), and let's not even talk about how meanwhile neo-NERV can build Evas by the truckload, some able to go in space, with cloaking abilities or even with fucking positron canons!

That's why I have the hunch that initially the post-3I technological and industrial level was supposed to be higher and that there was mid-production shift that changed dramatically worsened humanity's position, leading to cobbled together Eva weapons, scavenged armors and Lilin settlements that are defenseless villages with a rustic life style.

ElMariachi wrote:That's why I have the hunch that initially the post-3I technological and industrial level was supposed to be higher and that there was mid-production shift that changed dramatically worsened humanity's position, leading to cobbled together Eva weapons, scavenged armors and Lilin settlements that are defenseless villages with a rustic life style.

I think it is pretty possible they didn't plan the details of how humanity subsisted for Q. Then, the technology reflects the fact that they were on the future.

After all, Q focus on the mystery, the timeskip and the changes on Earth, but the humanity's situation isn't explored.

However, when they started to develop humanity's current state for Shin, they should notice the technological would be pretty poor.

We don't know when which advances happened, 14 years are a long time.

Stuff like the modernized interfaces or the sleeker plugsuits could be done with just software or a basic 3D printer, building wholeass EVAs not so much.

Still, it's cool to see the unused concepts.

Konja7 wrote:I think it is pretty possible they didn't plan the details of how humanity subsisted for Q. Then, the technology reflects the fact that they were on the future.

After all, Q focus on the mystery, the timeskip and the changes on Earth, but the humanity's situation isn't explored.

However, when they started to develop humanity's current state for Shin, they should notice the technological would be pretty poor.

I'll be honest, I would had preferred if they kept humanity on a better situation as it was implied with the tech in Q, both because I'm a lover of technology porn, and because that would had left more of the world to potentially explore, instead of that in Shin it seems that what we see is pretty much all there's to see of the world, since humanity consist of a few villages, the Wunder fleet and maybe a couple of bases.

Kendrix wrote:We don't know when which advances happened, 14 years are a long time.

Stuff like the modernized interfaces or the sleeker plugsuits could be done with just software or a basic 3D printer, building wholeass EVAs not so much.

Unless you're neo-NERV, then silly concepts such as logistics and resource management don't apply to you apparently.
I remember having this headcanon that WILLE had industrial capabilities, but lost the technology to grow Evangelion flesh, so when one of their Evas's biological bit was too damaged to regenerate they compensated by replacing it by cybernetics (hence 02's cyborg arm half-head, and Shin with 08's improvised arms and 02's full cyborg body vindicated it), then it turns out that WILLE don't even have heavy industrial capabilities and that almost all of their equipment is scavenged.

ElMariachi wrote:Unless you're neo-NERV, then silly concepts such as logistics and resource management don't apply to you apparently.
I remember having this headcanon that WILLE had industrial capabilities, but lost the technology to grow Evangelion flesh, so when one of their Evas's biological bit was too damaged to regenerate they compensated by replacing it by cybernetics (hence 02's cyborg arm half-head, and Shin with 08's improvised arms and 02's full cyborg body vindicated it), then it turns out that WILLE don't even have heavy industrial capabilities and that almost all of their equipment is scavenged.

Without further explanations, my headcanon is that Neo-Nerv is able to manufacture new evangelions and other resources, using Evangelions Mark.04 as their manpower.

Raikyu wrote:Without further explanations, my headcanon is that Neo-Nerv is able to manufacture new evangelions and other resources, using Evangelions Mark.04 as their manpower.

Furthermore, Neo-Nerv doesn't have to spend resources and time to help the Villages to survive.

Raikyu wrote:Without further explanations, my headcanon is that Neo-Nerv is able to manufacture new evangelions and other resources, using Evangelions Mark.04 as their manpower.

There's still the issue of resources.

ElMariachi wrote:There's still the issue of resources.

Maybe it's because WILLE need to spend resources on the Villages, so these could survive.

WILLE needs to use the resources to create the pillars that prevent the Villages to become core. WILLE also gives the village supplies to survive.