Konja7 wrote:I've never heard the theory that Shinji is Adam's incarnate.


That said, we don't know if Shinji is aware about star's motion or not. Also, star's motion doesn't change the stars we see, right

The 4 Adams = 4 pilots theory got bandied about enough that I was aware of it, despite an utter lack of interest in the exercise in pareidolia that was Rebuild lorewanking.

As to the motions of the stars; the first example I found on the internets is here -- https://www.wired.com/2015/03/gifs-show ... 000-years/

Considering that quite a few of the predictions in said theory have been in Shin, I'd call it a bit more than "Rebuild lorewanking"

IDK if this camrip screenshot legit or not since I recently got it from reddit. Anyway, the screenshot reveals the unlimited amount of Kaworu's coffins on the moon in Shin Eva compare to the 9 coffins that we saw in 1.0.

Whitetiger739 wrote:IDK if this camrip screenshot legit or not since I recently got it from reddit. Anyway, the screenshot reveals the unlimited amount of Kaworu's coffins on the moon in Shin Eva compare to the 9 coffins that we saw in 1.0.

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I read about a scene like this, so it should be real.

It is an moment in the Instrumentality, so it should be a symbolic moment.

Whitetiger739 wrote:IDK if this camrip screenshot legit or not since I recently got it from reddit. Anyway, the screenshot reveals the unlimited amount of Kaworu's coffins on the moon in Shin Eva compare to the 9 coffins that we saw in 1.0.

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Can confirm, this is legit and this is Kaworu talking about his relationship with Shinji (though the exact dialogue is eluding me at the moment...)

Whitetiger739 wrote:IDK if this camrip screenshot legit or not since I recently got it from reddit.

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It is. There are leaked pics of Kaworu looking at the other side of the opened coffins, as well as leaked pictures of him crying on 4chan right now.

This is the "looking the other way" frame mentioned

So if i'm looking at this right, the coffins all seem to be laid down in a circle?

Yep, wheels within wheels, loops within loops.

The coffins are on top of the blood stain, meaning they were placed after it?

Also, can any one make out what the red marks are on the lids of the unopened coffins are? Seele's mark? Nerv's? A hex glyph? Something entirely different?

Konja7 wrote:I read about a scene like this, so it should be real.

It is an moment in the Instrumentality, so it should be a symbolic moment.

I saw it in the theater (twice), it is real. It does happen during instrumentality, but the way it is so consistent with what we've seen in actual scenes of the previous films suggests that it is an actual memory, not an imagined symbolism.

DantesInferno wrote:I saw it in the theater (twice), it is real. It does happen during instrumentality, but the way it is so consistent with what we've seen in actual scenes of the previous films suggests that it is an actual memory, not an imagined symbolism.

Thanks for the clarifications.

So, that means we only see some of these coffins in Jo.

Honestly I think it's hilarious that loop theory ended up being at least somewhat correct

But I don't think a single loop theorist got how limited its application would be.

If kaworu is looping that would suggest the whole setting is. We just don't know what the timeframe entails. Doesn't seem that limited.

I'd be really annoyed if NTE's universe straight up overwrote NGE/EOE's, personally (unless there were thousands of years in between or something, but I'm not sure I buy the idea that it's been that long for Kaworu). I think it'd devalue One More Final's resolution in every way.

WILLE_Coyote wrote:I'd be really annoyed if NTE's universe straight up overwrote NGE/EOE's, personally (unless there were thousands of years in between or something, but I'm not sure I buy the idea that it's been that long for Kaworu). I think it'd devalue One More Final's resolution in every way.

I'm not sure it has to be that literal. Maybe Kaworu has experienced a series of timelines, some of which are similar to the original, but not literally the original. Maybe it's a devilman / Ideon situation where the universe repeats over the course of billions of years, but Kaworu is zapped right to the significant point in the timeline as soon as he dies.

It's intentionally ambiguous. What's clear is these films were always implying a loop/sequel situation through Kaworu's dialogue, and they gave that concept some pay off in the final film. Exactly how that loop functions is up to you, and it's really more a way for the films to express themes of reiteration than anything else.

WILLE_Coyote wrote:I'd be really annoyed if NTE's universe straight up overwrote NGE/EOE's, personally (unless there were thousands of years in between or something, but I'm not sure I buy the idea that it's been that long for Kaworu). I think it'd devalue One More Final's resolution in every way.

In the current timeline, it seems Kaworu was born in Jo. That means, he is only 14 years for Q.

I suspect every previous lifetime for Kaworu were pretty short too.

Konja7 wrote:

WILLE_Coyote#920358 wrote:I'd be really annoyed if NTE's universe straight up overwrote NGE/EOE's, personally (unless there were thousands of years in between or something, but I'm not sure I buy the idea that it's been that long for Kaworu). I think it'd devalue One More Final's resolution in every way.

In the current timeline, it seems Kaworu was born in Jo. That means, he is only 14 years for Q.

I suspect every previous lifetime for Kaworu were pretty short too.

I was thinking more along the lines of Kaworu being a kind of Adam figure in the natural loop theory, but I suppose you're right if he isn't.

Edit: It's pretty clear Kaworu is supposed to be the same character from NGE, regardless of how the rest of the timeline works. A multiverse would be my preference (the idea that the EVA universe has been reborn 5 times over totalling billions of years is a little much IMO), but who knows.

I'll drop my 2cents here.
I don't think the coffin represents a multiuniverse because they are visible and tangible simultaneously on a particular timeline. Also, if they were meant to represent multiple universes, there wouldn't be one coffin opening at a time, all would be closed or opened because it would happen simultaneously. Instead, the lined up indicates a sequence (a circular one with Shin Eva) of a cyclic story that repeats and repeats.

Also, in Shin Eva when Kaworu told him they met many times in the past. Shinji replies "Yeah, I remember now. We've met many times here" while indicating the lakeshore with the headless statue (NGE). So Shinji is the same Shinji, since Kaworu specifically met him due to this Book of Vagueness after their first meeting.

As what this means about being a sequel or not. Who knows. I would rather not, in a strict sense (I'm fine to think NTE as a spiritual sequel), but I can't say for sure. I hope Anno will clarify things about this in next CRC. Aside from the things mentioned above and all the vague winks and implications in previous movies, is that Kaworu calls Instrumentality the "origin of the Cycle."

Xiel wrote:Aside from the things mentioned above and all the vague winks and implications in previous movies, is that Kaworu calls Instrumentality the "origin of the Cycle."

I don't see that line anywhere in the subs pulled from the app. Do you remember when any mention is made to this?