movieartman wrote:Cloverfield direct sequel is coming

I love Cloverfeild, but I do wonder if this sequel will have problems as it was the first big monster CGI movie back in 2008 then things like Pacific Rim followed in 2013 only for Kong and Godzilla to be next all improved on the visual big monster movie medium and all brought the GCI to new levels, meaning that the original Cloverfeild movie now pales in compassion CGI wise and feels old despite still being a solid watch.

A sequel would have to do something very relevant while still staying true to source material and do new things with its CGI which it might not be able to do as it's tied to its civilian filming perspective. I feel this is really a case where they have left it far to long and it could really turn around and bite them even if they come at it from the nostalgia angle.

I just think it's funny that they had to specify a "direct" sequel, other than announce "Cloverfield will now be absorbing yet another unrelated movie in pick-up shoots."

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Unlike that Pacific Rim anime the Godzilla anime looks pretty good.

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Gendo'sPapa wrote:Unlike that Pacific Rim anime the Godzilla anime looks pretty good.

I agree like I'm generally looking forward to this and if its good I hope it makes it to Blu-ray and it's the start of more Godzilla anime series.

Hearing that Rodan shriek coming from an honest-to-God mutant pterodactyl is wild! I love how these monsters have been redesigned so far.

Not the biggest fan of this Rodan design, reminds me a lot of fan designs of monsterverse Rodan. Which were basically a giant pterosaur. However with all that being said.

• Baby Rodan
• Steampunky JetJaguar

Yes to all of that!

Rodan has always been basically a giant pterosaur, at least to the extent Godzilla was basically a giant dinosaur. He has some legs in the Legendary version, but that’s about it.

Me, I’m concerned about the lack of kaiju in these previews. I don’t know why people are so hype about it, as it’s JAFA (just another fucking anime) until the big G shows up. If it goes to town after that then okay, but if not why are we even here?

The first preview had Goji, Rodan, JetJaguar, Anguirus, and maybe Titanosaur and some other water Kaiju. So plenty of monsters, though that doesn't say anything about actual screen time. Still i have hopes it'll better than w/e the Godzilla anime trilogy was.

Settie wrote:The first preview had Goji, Rodan, JetJaguar, Anguirus, and maybe Titanosaur and some other water Kaiju. So plenty of monsters, though that doesn't say anything about actual screen time. Still i have hopes it'll better than w/e the Godzilla anime trilogy was.

That was a trilogy about a foe you couldn’t beat without destroying yourself in the process. It was the ultimate expression of Godzilla as a force of nature— at the end of the day, you have to accommodate him, not vice-versa. It was actually pretty glorious, and I hope this new show can match it.

The trilogy had some really neat ideas in it, I just think the execution was frightfully dull and the visual style was really fugly.

Bagheera wrote:
It was actually pretty glorious.

How? I barely managed to force myself through the first film and after finishing the second, I didn't even bother to watch the third and reading Freaky's post on it made me about 95% certain it was the correct call.

Yeah, the trilogy plays around with a few interesting ideas, but even the ideas aren't that revolutionary nor intriguing and the execution was so horrifyingly imbecilic and downright "shitty" that I personally would never watch any part of it again unless I was extremely tired and in need of simple entertainment.

Zusuchan wrote:

Bagheera wrote:
It was actually pretty glorious.

How? I barely managed to force myself through the first film and after finishing the second, I didn't even bother to watch the third and reading Freaky's post on it made me about 95% certain it was the correct call.

Yeah, the trilogy plays around with a few interesting ideas, but even the ideas aren't that revolutionary nor intriguing and the execution was so horrifyingly imbecilic and downright "shitty" that I personally would never watch any part of it again unless I was extremely tired and in need of simple entertainment.

If that’s your take on it I don’t see the point to explaining my reasoning. Suffice it to say I completely disagree with everything you wrote. I liked the ideas, I liked the aesthetic, and I freakin’ loved Godzilla Earth. That’s all I need from a kaiju movie.

You could still explain it in depth, I want to know why you liked it, especially since I personally hated it.

Also, this is the second time in recent history you've quoted an entire post, could you not do so unless it's necessary?

Not wanting to contribute to the problem but rather helping solve it, the anime trilogy have indeed their flaws but I think they're victims of an irrational horde of hate coming from Reddit (more specifically r/Godzilla) and YouTube.
This sincerely is such a bummer, some watch the trilogy with opinions already formed by others (and most of them just cover superfluous reasons like "Godzilla is a plant, I hate it, why have they done that?") instead of trying to create their own opinions and reflect on the work. Interestingly even Evangelion has its own case very similar to this, at least some part of the western branch of the fanbase treat EvaQ like the Goji fanbase already treats the anime Godzilla trilogy, it isn't hard to find lots of comments referring to both works as a tragedy, NOT MY EVA/GODZILLA!!, something to feel ashamed for, burning trash and others.

Zusuchan wrote:reading Freaky's post on it made me about 95% certain it was the correct call.

Dang, I should start more of my reviews with “Jesus fuck tits.”

Yeah, I should go back and watch the trilogy over again. It’s a Godzilla movie, so I’m still gonna study it and see how it fits in history of the rest of the franchise. But I certainly remember the third movie making me really upset after a while.

I would suggest you watch it more carefully, as a number of things you say re: the plot are untrue (and in some cases completely backwards). For example, Haruo has sex with Maina after he figures out who she is, not before, which neuters about half your rant. Also, Mothra’s egg is used to help break Haruo free of Metphies’ control, making it far less of a circle jerk than you suggest, and Haruo committed suicide by Godzilla to ensure that all traces of nanometal were gone, not purely for spite as you suggest. The whole thing holds together a lot better than you indicated.

Also, watch the subs. I mean, have we learned nothing from our experiences with Eva? Always watch the subs so you avoid creative localization decisions.

Bagheera wrote:I would suggest you watch it more carefully, as a number of things you say re: the plot are untrue

Can I just point out people sometimes miss things on first viewing and don't catch till second or third and as a lot of people didn't sit though repeat viewings they may have missed stuff. It's also fine for people not to like these films, and you can't force them to like it and them not liking it, is not a personal attack on you that's just how they feel.

I don’t expect anyone to like it. But if you’re going to dislike it it should be because of what it is, not because of something you imagine it to be. That goes double if you plan on venting about it in a public space.