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Postby kuribo-04 » Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:56 am

A little confused with the plugsuit thing, because this is new merch with AFAIK new illustrations featuring the old suits.

https://twitter.com/eva_information/status/1319550140911251457?s=19
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Postby ElMariachi » Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:19 pm

Like many others in this thread, I find it's a shame that Asuka and Mari's WILLE plugsuit will be retconned, because I liked the new design: while the colors kept a continuity with the old plugsuits, the the white shoulders and black legs as well as the more form fitting design marked a distinctive change with the previous plugsuit designs (notable Asuka's) and symbolized how time has passed and things changed, I get less of that feeling of "difference" with the new colors.
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Postby kuribo-04 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:03 pm

Shinji: "Sooner or later I'll be betrayed... And they'll leave me. Still... I want to meet them again, because I believe my feelings at that time were real."
Ryuko: "I'm gonna knock ya on your asses!"
-Asuka: THINK IN GERMAN!!! -Shinji: Öh... Baumkuchen...
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Postby A Renegade Deserter » Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:19 pm

View Original Postkuribo-04 wrote:New coloring on this figure:
https://twitter.com/MangaMexico/status/1325843341657866240?s=19


Days before when I found this new Asuka Figurine, then I realized that I actually know this one before.

The Color-Change Conspiracy on Asukas and Maris 3.0 Plugsuits for 3.0+1.0 is real!!!

I knew it how serious it gets when a already existing Asuka Figurine gets this treatment, same with the Rebuild Summary Video for the 3.0 scenes with Asuka.
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Postby kuribo-04 » Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:14 am

I'd really like some news on this to know if it's just this minor change or if scenes will be added. I think I'd personally prefer the former.

Tbh keeping in mind that we're in pandemic, making people go three additional times to the cinema to watch upgraded Rebuilds so they can fully understand Shin (I could see something like that happening, similar to Death and EoE) maybe isn't the best course of action right now.
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Postby GhostlyOcam » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:24 am

It'd be interesting if the first two movies will also get "updated" versions (1.11', 2.22') with various additions, changes, and unused materials being repurposed and inserted to make them feel more connected to 3.0 and Shin Eva, like how there are director's cut editions for episode 21-24 to connect the series' final half with EoE.

The most obvious changes I could see happening for hypotethical 1.11' and 2.22' would be the next-time previews being updated with actual animations from the "real" 2.0 and 3.0 (plus new narrations from Kotono Mitsuishi), unless they want to keep the old ones untouched for the sake of preservation or something.
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Postby kuribo-04 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:07 pm

∆ They kinda did that with the teaser for 3.0 showing Asuka in space, aired with 2.0. Although that wasn't final footage either.
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Postby deeRez » Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:31 pm

I don't think the suit color changes are due to depression. I'd expect characters acting differently if it was a depression as we saw in NGE. People'd let Anno inject his view into the plot. But this suit change is something someone else would have spoken up about if it didn't make sense (unlike a plot change) since changes like this involves pissing off merch manufacturers. Anno convinced them it makes sense some how. And from the CRC books we see how the other directors provide their input, so we know it's not a George Lucas situation.

My hunch is that each of the Rebuild movies are actually on separate timelines, they're not sequential.
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I think this suit change is Anno's way of driving the point home that the 3.X we saw was in another dimension.

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Postby kuribo-04 » Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:45 pm

Just remembered the different plug suit coloring in two versions of Avant1. Dunno if that is related. Don't think it's gonna happen, but what if there is two versions of the film lol.

Edit: Huh, looking again I don't see evidence of there being two versions of Avant.
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Postby Joseki » Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:15 pm

The version of AVANT1 we saw in Paris was darker than the version they showed in Japan/Shangai but I don't think there were differences in design.

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Postby kuribo-04 » Mon Dec 07, 2020 10:14 pm

Yeah it just seems to be the white balance.
It's just weird, cause wasn't there an animator "confirming" there were two versions?

Edit: He might have been confused about it.
https://forum.evageeks.org/post/890724/Minor-news-about-Shin-Evangelion-3010/#890724
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Postby GhostlyOcam » Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:31 am

On another topic, if there'll be an "updated" 3.33 home video release with the visual changes etc., my other hope is a revamped/remixed audio. I don't know if it's just me but the music in 3.33 either gets drowned out or really quiet at times, especially during the Terminal Dogma fight up to Unit-02 vs Adams Vessel!Mark.09, which is a shame because some of my favorite Rebuild musical cues are on those scenes.

I don't think 1.11 and 2.22 had this issues or even they exist, it's not as bad as this.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:43 am

^ What’s your sound system like? Any version of Evangelion tends to be terrible if you don’t at least have a 5.1 surround sound system. I remember reading subtitles for dialogue I couldn’t hear in a lot of the TV show episodes until I got a system that didn’t automatically downmix to 2.0 stereo.

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Postby GhostlyOcam » Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:56 am

Typical stereo but I downmixed the audio from 5.1 to 2.0, it worked like magic for 1.11 and 2.22 so I thought it's really just the base audio mix from Khara in 3.33 not being very balanced, dialogues and sound effects are crystal clear but the music gets drowned in loud battle scenes (I can barely hear The Wrath of God :boohoo:) , which isn't quite the case with the former two. I wonder if anyone has the same issues?
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Postby Joseki » Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:05 pm

Beautiful World Remastered (both versions) and Sakura Nagashi Remastered for a remastered version of the movies?

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Postby robersora » Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:54 pm

View Original PostGhostlyOcam wrote:Typical stereo but I downmixed the audio from 5.1 to 2.0, it worked like magic for 1.11 and 2.22 so I thought it's really just the base audio mix from Khara in 3.33 not being very balanced, dialogues and sound effects are crystal clear but the music gets drowned in loud battle scenes (I can barely hear The Wrath of God :boohoo:) , which isn't quite the case with the former two. I wonder if anyone has the same issues?


Yes, me! The German Blu-Ray was basically unlistenable! It's mixed for 5.1 and the music seems to be mixed on the back speakers I do not have :/
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:09 pm

View Original PostGhostlyOcam wrote:Typical stereo but I downmixed the audio from 5.1 to 2.0, it worked like magic for 1.11 and 2.22 so I thought it's really just the base audio mix from Khara in 3.33 not being very balanced, dialogues and sound effects are crystal clear but the music gets drowned in loud battle scenes (I can barely hear The Wrath of God :boohoo: ) , which isn't quite the case with the former two. I wonder if anyone has the same issues?

View Original Postrobersora wrote:Yes, me! The German Blu-Ray was basically unlistenable! It's mixed for 5.1 and the music seems to be mixed on the back speakers I do not have :/

Results vary from player to player and from sound system to sound system. If you have a soundbar or some other form of audio device other than the TV speakers, try adjusting the settings on the Blu-ray/DVD player so that it puts out in Surround Sound anyway. Some audio systems are better equipped to down mix Surround Sound audio to 2.0 stereo than the BD/DVD players. Heck, if you don't have a soundbar and only have TV speakers, try it on those TV speakers anyway. Many disc players are set down mix to stereo by default, which is a pain for me since I have to change those settings regardless of the speaker system I'm using. The manufacturer of the disc player can't possibly account for every type of audio system that the user would be plugging the player into, so it's best to leave whatever down mixing is involved to the audio system itself, whether that be a surround sound system, a soundbar, or even the TV's built-in speakers.

Granted, you won't get surround sound without an actual surround sound system, but you'll hopefully get a better stereo down mix out of these adjustments.

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Postby robersora » Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:16 pm

^
Well I'm using a PS4 going into a projector (which has unlistenable built-in speakers), and from there it goes via AUX into a Yamaha Stereo conceived for listening to music first and foremost. So, yeah... I know it's my fault, but I don't know of any other Blu Ray where it came out this bad. I don't think any of these systems have settings to adjust stuff like this.
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Postby kuribo-04 » Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:25 pm

What the hell was up with these plug suits. I don't see anybody in Japan commenting on new plugsuits in 3.0 after it rereleased today.
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Postby Blockio » Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:14 pm

Japanese fans are a lot less.... anal about certain details than us in the west sometimes. I'm convinced that they noticed it, but just don't care too much for a small detail like that, outside of figure collector circles
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