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Re: Gundam (In All Its Incarnations) Mk. II

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Postby Alaska Slim » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:14 am

View Original Postcyharding wrote:I recently rewatched the first season of IBO, and I was wondering how popular was the show in Japan


According to a 1.7 million poll taken two years ago, it's ranked #6 in the Franchise, and Orga is ranked #3 out of all Gundam Characters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PzBQgBIeaI

OTOH, it had only half the viewers of Gundam 00 according to this chart from GBD:

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But with the internet, who knows? On Gundam Info views seem to be about even between them.

EDIT: Huh, didn't realize IBO got a spinoff. Looks like a rehash of Gundam X.
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Postby Blockio » Sun Aug 30, 2020 6:50 pm

Japan very much loves IBO (and loves memeing it even more so), and there's either S1 or S2 up on the Gundaminfo channel basically at all times, so I don't think that these figures are representative anymore, probably just the initial airing dates; 6th in the franchise does seem about right.

As for Urdr Hunt (the spinoff), I'm not exactly sure how you're getting AWGX from it beyond the basic dynamic of "boy wants power, girl has power", care to elaborate?
not that I'd mind another Gundam X, love that show
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Postby cyharding » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:41 pm

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Postby Blockio » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:25 am

It's an interesting take to be sure, but I think it is massively impractical and counterproductive in all but a very small subset of debates that it would most definitely not see as much use as for topics where it is completely out of place.

I've had an argument over the canonicity of Thunderbolt a while ago with someone who was desperately trying to fit it into the main timeline (I'm camp "why does it matter, just let it do its own thing and stop worrying about it"), and the dude went to pretty ridiculous lengths using that principle as base of argument.
"The OVA is canon, but the manga it's based on isn't"
"If more of the manga gets adapted, that part of the OVA won't be canon"
"The things that don't fit in are just somebody misemembering things, that thing that doesn't fit in with the lore wasn't actually there" (to the point of "well, maybe that person who died onscreen isn't actually dead")
and a few more like that that I can't recall off the top of my head.

It is certainly a valid idea for discussing overarching themes and other more meta aspects, but for talking about timeline, it is too messy and leaves a ton of things unaccounted for.
Assuming linear time, which to my knowledge the Gundam franchise hasn't given any reason to assume otherwise, there is an absolute truth, and barring things specifically framed as subjective recollections, what we see on screen being the absolute truth should be the starting point, because any other premise is a complete non-starter, since from that point on, every fix point and boundary set is completely arbitrary, and if it really comes down to it nothing more than glorified fanfiction.

The real problem is not that Gundam has some inconsistencies in its lore, the problem is that fans, especially western, are way too anal about wanting to have everything fit into one singular timeline, even works like Origin or Thunderbolt, which from the very start have been explicitly stated by the author to not be canon to the main timeline. The solution to this is not to disregard cherrypick the events you like and disregard the ones you don't, not to write fanfiction on how if there is a whole seperate production branch that we have never heard of that line of custom suits never seen anywhere else might fit in (line of arguing from an unrelated Thunderbolt debate, the opposing side was mindlessly yelling about production numbers, so not much better), and definitely not to just declare things we see on screen to not have happened that way; the solution is to only treat those things as canon to another work that are explicitly stated to be canon, and have everything else take place in a mental AU where details may differ.
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