Princess Asuka and the Fairy Tales.

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Postby ElMariachi » Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:36 pm

Exactly, Shinji has brown eyes only in the manga.
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Postby ChaddyManPrime » Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:40 pm

View Original PostTMBounty_Hunter wrote:Nope. They are blue: http://i4.minus.com/ibmvXtKahW9wIj.jpg

The screenshopt ElMariachi grabbed from the wiki is from the Explanation of Eva 1.01 which uses the terribly wrong and dark film master for no reason.


Ah, I thought that was Anno saying he preferred the manga's brown over the anime's blue.

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Postby Chuckman » Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:02 pm

View Original PostChaddyManPrime wrote:Oh I thought it was something awesome and thought provoking :raincloud:


See also here:

http://forum.evageeks.org/post/699757/A-remake-or-a-sequel/#699757
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Postby Dream » Sat Mar 29, 2014 11:14 am

Sorry for asking this, but why is the thread's title "Princess Asuka and the fairytales"?

EDIT: Ahh, thanks. Can't say i noticed the fairytales book.
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Postby Mr. Tines » Sat Mar 29, 2014 11:58 am

Because Mari refers to Shikiname as "Hime", and Rei-tachi have a book or fairy tales.
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Postby Kendrix » Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:56 pm

View Original PostElMariachi wrote:He mysteriously lost it when Sachiel appeared and was never seen with another one, so the wasn't any watch to give him back in 3.0.


Everyone was slightly off-model in the first half of ep 1.


Another example:

Just when did Misato switch her earrings?
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Postby Reichu » Sat May 30, 2020 10:07 am

Bump.

Within the "fairy tale" framework, it's typical for Shinji to be referred to as a "prince", I guess because he's a boy and Gendo (his father) is a "king". But the movies seem to be painting a slightly stranger image.

In Evangelion 1.0, Rei in Eva-00 protects Shinji in Eva-01 from the Sixth Angel with the Enchanted Shield of Virtue. As previously mentioned, "Enchanted Shield of Virtue" is a reference to Sleeping Beauty -- this identifies Rei with Prince Philip, and the 6th Angel with the draconic Maleficent. The metaphor starts to get a bit weird in that Rei is not the one who slays the beast -- it's Eva-01, using something that is not a mighty Sword of Truth -- but, nonetheless, what is the ultimate outcome of Rei's fortitude?

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Shinji "wakes up". Meaning that, in terms of the Sleeping Beauty metaphor, Shinji is the Princess Aurora!

Rei a prince and Shinji a princess? Are we going full Ikuhara here, or something? :tongue: Rei being a "prince" reminds me of Anno's admission that he was partly prompted to name her Rei "after Rei Hino of Sailor Moon [as] a bait to invite Iku-chan to the staff". It's also been often been noted that the rescue of Rei's soul in Eva Ha is an homage to Utena reaching for Anthy. Here the roles are reversed, though, with the "princess" (Shinji) reaching for the "prince" (Rei), and not the other way around.

Also, this is nothing new, but just for the sake of having it mentioned in the thread: Mari's fairy tale role is Knight, based on the battle between Eva-05 and the 3rd Angel. Eva-05 visually evokes an armored knight on horseback wielding a lance; the Third Angel resembles a medieval dragon. She's St. George slaying the dragon, in effect. (The historical figure of St. George is not a knight, but for our purposes this doesn't matter; the historical figure did not slay a dragon either. We only care about the "fairy tale version" of St. George -- the archetypal "knight slaying the dragon".)

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Depictions of St. George attacking the dragon usually have him attacking either the base of the neck or the head, which is of course reflected in the movie. (The Third Angel is impaled through the base of the neck, and then the core inside its cranium is crushed.)

EDIT: Provided clarification about St. George in response to AL's reply.
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Postby Arcadia's legacy » Sat May 30, 2020 10:13 am

View Original PostReichu wrote:St. George wasn't actually a knight, but he never actually slayed a dragon, either...

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Depictions of St. George attacking the dragon usually have him attacking either the base of the neck or the head, which is of course reflected in the movie. (The Third Angel is impaled through the base of the neck, and then the core inside its cranium is crushed.)


Wait, how is an impaling of the neck not slaying?
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Postby Reichu » Sat May 30, 2020 10:22 am

That was an attempt to preempt "WELL AKSHUALLY"s, but clearly I should have written something like this instead:

St. George is, in the popular imagination, the archetypal "knight slaying the dragon". The historical figure of St. George is not a knight, but for our purposes this doesn't matter; the historical figure did not slay a dragon either. We only care about the "fairy tale version" of St. George.
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Postby Blockio » Sat May 30, 2020 8:57 pm

That's a rather interesting interpetation, thanks for sharing! The pieces were always there, but I could never quite draw the connection between them. Interested in seeing how far this might go
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Postby Joseki » Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:39 am

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I don't know how much you can overlap them, but in the "Shogi-view" Shinji is the knight of the story.

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Postby Reichu » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:43 am

These movies are so dense that I haven't had an opportunity to investigate the shogi theming despite being well aware of its significance; thanks for the reminder. In cases like this, one allusion tends not to negate the other; rather, they are both true simultaneously. In this instance, I'm not sure what it might mean, though Shinji having two competing natures in NTE is nothing new.

Kaworu's comment about Shinji "awakening" implicitly refers to Shinji's soul awakening to its original nature (which would include memories of a previous life). So the "princess" that Rei wakes up could hypothetically be Shinji's prior self, "Luvah". Gendo being a "king" messes this up a bit, though (i.e. it makes more intuitive sense for Shinji to be a "princess" because he is the child of "royalty").

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Postby Velorex » Sat Jun 06, 2020 5:44 pm

I know of some Shogi players, I can ask them a thing or two.
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