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Reichu wrote:I really disliked what the movie did with the Kyubey...

In the series, the Incubators came off as beings with a refreshingly alien outlook, thinking on a universal time scale and truly interested in the big picture. They're not actually evil and are, in fact, beneficent, working toward a universe-spanning greater good. Our species, in comparison, exists on a microcosmic and ephemeral level, and we're unable to truly grasp anything that transcends that. The main characters, being human, are accordingly interested in nothing that exceeds their concept of human existence and purpose. self-interested, and with their limited human perspective understandably view the Incubators as hostile and morally bankrupt. The show smartly compares what Kyubey is doing to humanity's exploitation of other organisms for their own benefit. Intriguingly, the Incubators have the high ground on us, acting not merely in their own species' self-interest but in the interest of all sapient life, present and future.

Arguably the film doesn't render the Incubators' prior characterization null and void, and merely elaborates upon their methods, giving insight into the sort of scientific exploration that's been necessary to gain insight into the problem of fighting entropy. Maybe there's something I missed, though, and they were concretely transformed into the straight-up villains fans have been clamoring for. Whatever exactly Homura did to them with her asspull devil powers -- I wasn't terribly clear on the gobbledygook there, nor what the intended takeaway of that bizarre stinger was -- much of the fan reaction seems to treat this development as fannish wish fulfillment. If that's how it was intended by Urobuchi et al., it's a rather spiteful move and shows very little regard for the material. The lack of conventional (i.e., human) morality makes PMMM's antagonist(s) interesting and different, and far more than conniving, loathsome furballs.

ElMariachi wrote:Here's the Tumblr post with the images:
http://hourai.tumblr.com/post/141162012 ... movie-2015

For those who don't know about the different kind of Wraiths, here's the end page of Volume 1 of the Wraith Arc that list them:

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Interestingly, their power levels are named after the different Buddhist levels of enlightenment, that's why the more evolved they are and the less humanoid and more "abstract" they look.

And the story of the manga expends further on their powers: we though from the TV Series that they were just a bunch of cyber-old men with lasers, but they actually have some seriously vicious powers up their sleeves.

BobBQ wrote:Waiting for the next installment is suffering.

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The girl standing in the gloom is close to Sayaka's height, though older by a year. A wide sleeved monk's habit in field gray shrouds her body. Its hood overshadows icy eyes and short silver hair, ragged at the ends from being self-cut without the aid of a mirror. A leather belt with cartridge pouches rings her waist. The steel buckle bears an image of a soul gem and a motto, GÖTTIN MIT UNS.

“I'll wait here,” the stranger replies. She speaks not with the cliched haughtiness of Prussian nobility, which she is, but with a cold air of distrust.

Shinoyami65 wrote:I'm glad they decided to develop the Wraiths a lot more as villains, especially since it seems that they'll be the main replacement for witches throughout the concept movie and whatever sequel we get after that.

ElMariachi wrote:Well, I have a link of the five chapters so far translated in English, but I don't know if I can post them without breaking the rules, so better send me a PM if you want them.

ElMariachi wrote:Wait, does that mean that you use that theory that magical girls are actually ageless? Because Prussia as a kingdom ceased to exist at the end of WWI.

Shinoyami65 wrote:^Meh, I just like the idea that the world isn't all candy canes and butterflies after Madoka's wish. I do think that some parts of the Wraith Arc will linger for the next installment since

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The Moksha Wraith (aka the big bad of the Wraith Arc) is seen fighting Oktavia in one of the concept movie camrip shots.

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personally I don't think that they can steal powers from another universe, but that Godoka simply sealed Homura's time powers (probably so the Incubators won't believe her when she claims that she comes from another timeline, hell Kyubey even notes that no one ever got time traveling powers, meaning that it was sealed from everyone in this new universe), and that the Wraith could access it when it stole Homura's powers, and so Homura will probably get it back when she'll kill that Wraith (she was shown with her black bow in Rebellion, meaning that somehow she took her powers back), which will also probably how the Incubators will realize that Homura might had been telling the truth and start their plan to control Godoka.

On a side-note, I'm the only one who think that Mami's face when Homura shows her her pipe-bombs to be pure gold?

Ray wrote:Don't even get me started.

Squigsquasher wrote:Wait, what's all this? There's a new PMMM movie out? How did THAT slip under my radar?