Not being combative, just curious. How is that much different from this?:
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Caroline L.S. wrote:There is one profoundly disturbing option here. Lets say that NERV had backup cores like in the case of unit 3. They had full class of pilors compatible with those cores. The said class was evacuated. I ask where... Imagine if it was revealed that the pilots of those MPs are Asukas and Shinjis classmates drugged or othervise forced to the plugs.
ASW_Canuck wrote:The CI states that SEELE's true objective is to "...guide the elite (themselves) to (a) state near that of God's", which would require them to become the souls of Evangelions, not just passive passengers.
Reichu wrote:My own suspicion is that, if Seele had been able to complete all twelve units, they would have somehow utilized themselves as triggers for Third Impact. This explains why the JSSDF was under orders to simply kill the pilots: Seele didn't actually need them. Yui forced their hand, however, by activating in God Mode with Shinji inside and attracting the Spear back to Earth.
I'm actually somewhat dubious about whether the MP Evas would even be able to ensoul the Seele members. To start with, there are the maternal connotations of both the Seeds and the Evas, and there is the peculiar limitation that only children with a connection to the Eva's soul and/or body are able to pilot. Kyoko's case is, for me, the real smoking gun -- somehow she was able to resist being absorbed in full, but the Eva still got part of her soul, and which part was that? The part of her that is a mother. This suggests very strongly that Eva cores "select for" that specific attribute; perhaps comparable to how a cell membrane has specifically shaped binding sites that only allow certain molecular structures to pass through. Given the Seeds are the "female/mother" half of a pair (with the Spear being the "male" half), it seems plausible that this "mothers' souls only" limitation was programmed in by the FAR themselves, and Lilin don't possess the wherewithal to remove said limitation without, say, sacrificing an attribute that they require in the Evas.
(BTW: As awful and stupid as it is, "Kiel" is actually the man's first name. )
Derantor wrote:Those were objections I would have raised as well. Being inside a core protects one from being tanged, apparently, since the MP-Evas were still active after Instrumentality started (they pierced their own cores), which would be impossible if their souls were gone, and Yui remained inside Unit 01 the whole time. Besides, if they had their own souls inside the MP-Evas, there would be no need for the Kaworu-dummy-plugs, since those only exist to overwrite the will of the resident soul and make the Eva act, which would be unecessary if SEELE can control them directly already.
Other than that, the whole "power" aspect of their supposed plan makes no sense if they want to achieve Instrumentality. What exactly do you have power over if everybody is joined in a singular being without any physical form or means to interact with the real world, lost in endless contemplation and dreaming? Instrumentality as a goal in itself makes sense, but you can not use it to DO anything, besides giving people the option to return, which makes the whole ordeal rather pointless. If they just wanted to be demi-gods, uploading themselves into the Cores of the MP-Evas and using the S2-engines would give them eternal life and "magical" abilities anyways, and then there is no need for Instrumentality or Third Impact at all.
And now I imagine an MP-Eva inhabited by Lorenz Kiel marching up to the UN building and demanding One million Dollars!
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