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Postby The Cruel » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:58 am

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:Well, it was announced at some point that Q and Final would be released back-to-back or combined in some sense, but I don’t know how early into production they had planned that. TV spots announcing the tetralogy back before 1.0’s theatrical release clearly announced 4 separate titles with no indication that any of them will be joined. I think it was one of the ads shortly before or after 2.0’s release that Khara suggested that 3.0 and Final would be combined, but after a long hiatus of production updates relating to 3.0 the idea was abandoned.

Not that Anno doesn’t know what he’s doing (directors don’t work for as long as he does without knowing how to tell a pointed story), but Khara’s growing development as a new independent animation studio definitely meant that their productions were always in some state of flux.


The advertising on the posters for 1.0 and 2.0 announced that 3.0 and FINAL were planed to be shown together.

People should've seen it comming back then that it would become like this where we are now with FINAL.
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Postby Arcadia's legacy » Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:02 am

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Postby The Cruel » Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:08 am

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When I posted here they do seem to show for me. Have looked into them now and put more spaces between them. Mabye it shows now.
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I tried something else now.

I made the images into links. maybe it works now.
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Postby The Cruel » Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:44 am

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Postby amitakartok » Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:49 am

View Original Postkuribo-04 wrote:∆ Until some time after, possibly shortly, some sort of new Evangelion story is released, either a movie or TV show, and we all compare it to Anno's work, either positively or negatively


Most likely negative. Sequels of old classics are universally treated negatively these days.
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Postby Lacissal » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:09 am

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:Well, it was announced at some point that Q and Final would be released back-to-back or combined in some sense, but I don’t know how early into production they had planned that. TV spots announcing the tetralogy back before 1.0’s theatrical release clearly announced 4 separate titles with no indication that any of them will be joined. I think it was one of the ads shortly before or after 2.0’s release that Khara suggested that 3.0 and Final would be combined, but after a long hiatus of production updates relating to 3.0 the idea was abandoned.


The initial announcement (ie Anno's statement of intent) said 4 'parts' or 'stories' (I'm not sure what the exact Japanese term used was). 3.0 and Final being combined and screened as one was a relatively early idea dating from late 2006, shortly after Rebuild was properly announced. Quite a few news articles from the time seem to be 404'd now (like the Animenewsservice), including a post from the official Eva site translated here which is no longer up on the site:

post/48021/More-Eva-Recent-news-Rebuild-Newtype-article/#48021

Can't find an authoritative quote that specifically 3.0 and Final were 45 minutes each (like 25' and 26' in EoE with the credits in between). I think 3.0 and Final weren't fully known to be separate films until 2012. I had the idea of archiving and arranging chronologically sourced statements on Rebuild's production schedule as they're surprisingly elusive to find.

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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:22 am

Lacissal wrote:The initial announcement (ie Anno's statement of intent) said 4 'parts' or 'stories' (I'm not sure what the exact Japanese term used was). 3.0 and Final being combined and screened as one was a relatively early idea dating from late 2006, shortly after Rebuild was properly announced.


Ah the good old days.

Yeah, the original announcement from 2006 was Eva 1.0 would be a 90 minute movie, 2.0 would be a 90 minute movie and 3.0 + Final would run back to back and run 45 minutes a piece.

The original teaser:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uH1mZWTCds

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Postby Mr. M » Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:08 pm

Lol in the end the runtime was :
-1.0 : 1h 36m
-2.0 : 1h 52m
-3.0 : 1h 45m
-3.0 +1.0 : around 2h (?)
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:05 pm

Hahaha! Wow. It’s kind of amazing none of the “rebuilds” were as short as 90 mins. Clearly the project ballooned since then in the most wonderful way.
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Postby Joseki » Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:18 pm

View Original PostMr. M wrote:Lol in the end the runtime was :
-1.0 : 1h 36m
-2.0 : 1h 52m
-3.0 : 1h 45m
-3.0 +1.0 : around 2h (?)


I have different lenghts

1.11 - 100m58s (+10m58s)
2.22 - 112m09s (+22m09s)
3.33 - 95m39s (+55m39s)

That's a 88m46s increase in runtime so far.
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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:33 pm

I think the 3.0 runtime is including the Giant God Warrior Appears in Tokyo short by Anno & Shinji Higuchi that played in front of the movie in Japan.

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Postby The Cruel » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:36 am

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What needs more takes also more effort to do it of course. Never were original concepts scraped. They were only expanded further over the years. I can't imagine Rebuild with shorter runtime than actually. That wouldn't make possible what Rebuild tries to be and it would be just a simplified remake instead. Other earlier release dates were in mind sure and it was thought it would work like this. Never was it easy what Eva needs to be done.
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Postby Shun » Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:44 am

Some considerations about the title (?) Thrice upon a time:

* Extends the classic "once upon a time" used in fairy tales. In NTE there are some references to fairy tales, e.g. Gendo is the King, Asuka the princess, Rei reads The happy prince (is Shinji the prince?). Will Shin Evangelion end with "happily ever after"? I think not, the ending could be a middle way between happiness and sadness.

* Thrice upon a time, i.e. three times + one times = 3.0 + 1.0
Three films and one ending?
Eva3.0 and Eva1.0?
Three stories and one ending?
Three beginnings and one ending?
Three cycles and one ending?

* Thrice upon a time it's a sci-fi story by James Hogan with time traveles. Three interesting things:
1) By activating the time machine that sends messages in the past, the future is erased to the point of arrival in the past, like an overwritten vhs. In one of my hypotheses the story between Second Impact and Final Impact is erased in NTE.
2) In the novel there are micro black holes and an epidemic. In NTE there are a black hole, the contamination caused by L-field, and the Failures of Infinity.
3) In the novel Murdoch and Anne fall in love in all repetitions. What will happen to Shinji and Asuka?

I wrote a short italian article about this news: https://projecteva.altervista.org/shin-eva-posticipato/
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Postby Blockio » Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:55 am

Anno has a habit of naming final episodes after scifi and not paralelling any of the plot points. I wouldn't read too much into that name as of now.

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Postby Shun » Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:14 am

Oh yes, I know well that Anno usually quotes sci-fi titles for the final episodes. I'm not saying that from the plot of Hogan's novel we can discover the plot and the mysteries of Shin Eva, I simply say that some point in common could be there. E.g.:
* In the novel Hateshinaki nagare no hate hi by Sakyo Komatsu the protagonist Nonomura travels through time and in the end, when he returns to Earth, he discovers that he has not aged, while other people are aged or deads. In GunBuster Noriko undergoes time dilation, remains young, while thousands of years have passed on Earth.
* In the manga The door into summer by Keiko Takemiya (yep, the same title of sci-fi novel by Heinlein) a young boy is initiated into sex by an adult woman. In Air Misato kisses Shinji, and in general in EoE there is also sex thematics.
* In the movie Charly, the protagonist becomes super intelligent, but then he chooses to return normal (a little stupid). In EoE Shinji accepts the HIP, but then he decides to return in the normal world.

There are points in common at a very general level, ergo, Thrice upon a time could be a novel with some general points in common with Shin Eva.
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Postby Kendrix » Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:42 am

Well this sure sounds promising, despite the expected delay.
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Postby dzzthink » Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:04 pm

Just found this thread and wanted to share some ideas about why 3.0+1.0 was used instead of 4.0. In Japanese, the word 'four' sounds similar to 'death' (both are 'shi' in Japanese), so it is generally considered bad luck. Rather than just being mere superstition (its called tetraphobia, by the way), the film title could be intentionally avoiding any association with death for symbolic reasons. Maybe this final film is going to avoid the dark elements of the previous EoE and NGE, and the final chapter may end on a more happy note. Also, the '+' sign in the title is suggestive of bonding, restoration, and a new chapter.


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