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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:07 pm

Godammit, I wanna see at least one of these terrible ideas fully realized at least once.

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Postby silvermoonlight » Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:15 am

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:Godammit, I wanna see at least one of these terrible ideas fully realized at least once.


You might get your chance since the director seems to be blaming the CGI crew for the movies problems, not himself and it looks like its still gonna come out on time....as my loyal cinema says its coming Dec 20th this year.

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Postby Zeta_One » Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:01 am

View Original PostGendo'sPapa wrote:Is the delay that surprising?
Warner Brothers know they have a financial bomb on their hands.

This. Godzilla (2014) and Kong: Skull Island were modest successes. While a good chunk of the fandom still seems to be in denial, King of the Monsters was basically a flop and there's no way Godzilla vs Kong would have ever seen the light of day had it not already been in late production. You can't spin a $385 million worldwide gross on a $185-$200 million budget into a success story. That's a sharp drop in every market except China and the studios only see 25% of that anyway. Godzilla: King of the Monsters only grossed $6 million more than Godzilla (1998).

And I would absolutely blame the quality of the movie before accusing critics and audiences of inherently rejecting the genre. Godzilla (2014), despite its plethora of issues in the writing department and how it wasted its acting talent, still had a remarkably solid first half and Gareth Edwards' spellbinding spectacle to somewhat redeem it. But Godzilla: King of the Monsters is an ugly, mess of a film with bad humor, an inexcusably sloppy treatment of nuclear energy, and the worst fights in a giant monster movie since Pacific Rim started the modern wave of giant monster movies several years ago. It was a misfire on every level.

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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:25 pm

I'd like it if we got Gareth Edwards to direct another Godzilla movie. (Or direct anything for that matter.) Jordan Vogt-Roberts was also solid for Kong Skull Island.

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Postby Chuckman » Wed Dec 25, 2019 2:36 am

View Original PostZeta_One wrote: But Godzilla: King of the Monsters is an ugly, mess of a film with bad humor, an inexcusably sloppy treatment of nuclear energy, and the worst fights in a giant monster movie since Pacific Rim started the modern wave of giant monster movies several years ago.


Did you get up to pee when Godzilla body slammed Ghidora through a building? That was tight as fuck.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Wed Dec 25, 2019 3:45 am

KOTM 2019 is most certainly the bees knees as far as the fights are concerned, which are almost wrong enough to carry the entire movie by themselves. (Godzilla Final Wars still reigns supreme in that regard as far as I'm concerned.)

Outside of that, the film is just Ghidorah: The Three-Headed Monster with updated effects (which were already top-notch for the 60's,) and absolutely none of Ishiro Honda's meditations on shifting social norms, which overall makes it the weaker of the two films for me. Even if Honda doesn't say anything about Japan's changing post-war culture, his expressions of it are always appreciated. I kinda wish a Hollywood Godzilla movie had the balls to do that with American culture. Gareth Edwards came the closest with that, though, like Honda's first Godzilla movie, Edwards clearly had something slightly more pointed to say about the times that envelop him. I don't expect GvK is gonna do any of that, though. It'll be about 2 hours of (completely awesome) monster brawling set up and execution.

I really wish that WB would stop trying to make blockbuster crowd pleasers. Their focus on more filmmaker-driven projects projects was always their strong point, separating them from the rest of the studios. They just misfired in both trying to make wide-appealing crowd pleasers and in trying to get Zack Snyder to do them successfully. It's time for them to go back to their roots. Godzilla 2014 was their strongest in their Monsterverse because of its filmmaker-focused approach. WB's test-screening approach to their blockbusters is damaging them more than helping them.

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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:05 am

FINALLY working my way through Criterion's SHOWA ERA Boxset.
Gonna be watching two entries once a week back to back and I gotta say I'm excited.

I've seen the original I don't know how many times so revisiting that last week was just delightful.

Tonight was Godzilla Raids Again and King Kong Vs. Godzilla. I gotta admit, Raids Again got me worried about what was to come. It just dragged for me and felt a lot longer than its 81 minute runtime. It was clearly a quickie sequel rushed into production and it felt like it. The highpoint was Takashi Shimura returning for one scene. Was almost ready to call things quits and just enjoy the nice Box Art.

Then I loved every goofy second of King Kong Vs. Godzilla! I watched the Japanese version of the film - weirdly the American version is the one in the collection but the original Japanese version is available as a Special Feature on the 8th Disc - and I was just sent by the whole thing being a satire about television and media! The switch to widescreen and colors was wonderful - the transfer has some spotty moments due to the damaged negatives I'm sure where quality for certain shots drops sharply but when the transfer is good it looks amazing, the colors and set design are the best - and I loved every goofy, cartoonish moment! That Octopus! Oh boy, that Octopus! Having the Natives just be local Japanese in dark makeup is .... awkward and unpleasant, but that's been kind've a constant through all King Kong movies. Having seen almost all Kong movies, I think this is my second favorite King Kong movie after the 1933 original. I think the Ishiro Honda Godzilla movies are going to be my favorites, which is a good thing since he did more than half of the Showa Era Entries!

Looking forward to meeting the original Mothra and Ghidorah next week.

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Postby movieartman » Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:16 am

View Original PostGendo'sPapa wrote:FINALLY working my way through Criterion's SHOWA ERA Boxset.
Gonna be watching two entries once a week back to back and I gotta say I'm excited.


Nice, yeah Raids Again is weak for a lot of people, It's grown on me over the years.
Vs Kong & vs The Sea Monster were the first Godzilla films I ever saw as a kid. Today I still notably like Sea Monster and consider it underrated, KKvs I am largely meh about.

Hope you enjoy Mothra vs, it's widely considered the best of the Showa era. I put it as equals with the last of the era Terror of MechaGodzilla.

What do you think of the 2005 Kong remake?

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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:01 am

The 2005 KONG remake is very flawed - Peter Jackson is stuck in LOTR mode and trying to turn a fun simple adventure tale into an epic never really works - but the high points are great and Kong the character is the star of the film.

I think the biggest issue with the film though having revisited it a few years ago before Kong: Skull Island is how dated and effects heavy the movie is. Kong still looks great and works cause he’s a character having to give emotion but so much of the movie is people on treadmills in a studio running in place as monsters are added in post. Antiquated CG doesn’t really hold any charm for me like old practical effects do. I wish more of the movie was shot on location somewhere.

Still, I like Kong 2005. I might have been hyperbolic in saying Kong vs Godzilla was my second favorite but I just loved how goofy the movie was and the old effects hold a lot of charm for me.

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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:01 am

I know it’s not part of the Box Set, but watching the stand alone Mothra movie before Mothra vs Godzilla is a major emotional rollercoaster. Mothra neatly establishes Infant Island and the fairy priestesses before Mothra vs Godzilla turns it into a perilous battle between order and chaos. Both films are directed by Ishiro Honda, so it’s worth it for that alone.

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Postby silvermoonlight » Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:57 am

View Original PostGendo'sPapa wrote:The 2005 KONG remake is very flawed - Peter Jackson is stuck in LOTR mode and trying to turn a fun simple adventure tale into an epic never really works - but the high points are great and Kong the character is the star of the film.

I think the biggest issue with the film though having revisited it a few years ago before Kong: Skull Island is how dated and effects heavy the movie is. Kong still looks great and works cause he’s a character having to give emotion but so much of the movie is people on treadmills in a studio running in place as monsters are added in post. Antiquated CG doesn’t really hold any charm for me like old practical effects do. I wish more of the movie was shot on location somewhere.

Still, I like Kong 2005. I might have been hyperbolic in saying Kong vs Godzilla was my second favorite but I just loved how goofy the movie was and the old effects hold a lot of charm for me.


As much as I like Peters Kong the biggest issue for me was the portrayal of the natives, to me its huge stumbling block and the biggest mistake Peter made as it hypes back to the people of colour are savages and animals portrayal in really racist old-time literature and even watching it in the cinema it felt so dated and wrong even back in 2005. Like I got that he was shooting the 1933 scene for scene but that whole scene needed changing period and hurts the film on rewatch.

This was a mistake I was really glad Kong skull island fixed big time regarding the natives and I think it was always a great way to modernise it and bring it into the present by having it during the Vietnam war and it is a cautionary tale of why getting fixated on war and winning can end up kill everyone involved. I also like the upcoming possible tie in that skull Island is about to become monster Island hence why Godzilla and Kong are gonna be fighting since Kong views it as his island and Godzilla and his monsters will be deemed as trespassers.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:48 pm

One of the aspects of Peter’s Kong that shows that he’s stuck in Epic Mode is spending an hour on the boat developing about 8 characters that go nowhere once they get on the island. Like, they all get some deep backstories or intense scenes, and they all either die on the island or do nothing after returning to NYC.


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