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Postby Zoop » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:38 am

Haven't read all this, so maybe this has been suggested before, but I thought of something the other day, I thought I would share.

Because I would like to see something from the timeskip, the missing eva's and angels, how to cover that fast in the movie (because obviously, if we get to see this, there would be little time for it).

When Shinji fought the third angel in NGE, we don't get see straight away what happened. Shinji seems to have blacked out, but apparantly he won. Misato praising him for it. Only later in the bath when Shinji "remembers" you get to see what happened.

In NTE, they skipped this, you get to see the entire battle in one go. Certainly helps for pacing (since its just a movie), but the buildup in NGE was better, imo. Anyway, what if if this was a deliberate choice so it could be mirrored later?
Like it mirrors his "blackout" when he got speared by Kaworu when he awoke Eva01.

- Last thing he remembered before getting his ass kicked by Sachiel, was pain and suffering.
- Last thing he remembered against Zeruel, was hope and accomplishment in saving Rei.

When he got out, people have things to say about his actions.
- In NGE it was praise, mainly by Misato
- In NTE it was mostly fear and disgust, and a cold shoulder from Misato.

- In NGE he saved the day
- In NTE he (apparantly) fucked the world beyond recognition

Both instances involved reactivating after running out of power.

I'm imagining this, after Rei, Asuka en Shinji's stroll through the red wastelands, they finally get to rest. Shinji is getting in a bath. Asuka could even make the same remark like Misato did, about washing the bad memories away. And thats when we briefly get to see what happened, why the spear was removed, how Eva01 got active again, and the whole mess with the other eva's and angels. Could be shown from Shinji's perspective so we can see the Eva's without explaining who's piloting them.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:15 am

View Original Postchee wrote:Pen Pen will fuck.

Pen pen already fucks.

Also, I would like to see Shin Eva ignite discussions/arguments/downright shouting matches over an ambiguous ended. It wouldn’t be an Eva ending without that.

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Postby Keratos23 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:05 pm

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:I would like to see Shin Eva ignite discussions/arguments/downright shouting matches over an ambiguous ended. It wouldn’t be an Eva ending without that.


Even though i would love it if it had and ambiguous ending, judging from what the animator "Se Jun Kim" said: "It really feels like it's the end".

Which could mean that by the end, everything is wrapped up and there is no confusion... As weird as that would be for Eva.

Tbh what he said could mean a lot of stuff, but that's what i got when i read it. :uhh:

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Postby pwhodges » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:10 pm

The end of EoE feels like an end, even though you know there's more to be wrapped up by the characters.
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Postby chee » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:20 pm

It's been damn near 13 years, as long as it's an ending to this glorious mess I'll be happy.

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Postby Velorex » Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:22 am

chee wrote:It's been damn near 13 years, as long as it's an ending to this glorious mess I'll be happy.

amen to that brother.

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Postby kuribo-04 » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:10 pm

Our characters enter the eye of the storm during Final Impact. What awaits them there?
Shinji: "Sooner or later I'll be betrayed... And they'll leave me. Still... I want to meet them again, because I believe my feelings at that time were real."
Ryuko: "I'm gonna knock ya on your asses!"
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Postby Reichu » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:02 am

......Eva-13? Unless you're talking about the Gates or something.

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Postby kuribo-04 » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:31 am

That hole that seems to be a portal to another world. Kaworu called it the Door of Guf, and we glimpse that weird geometrical shape behind it in Q.
Shinji: "Sooner or later I'll be betrayed... And they'll leave me. Still... I want to meet them again, because I believe my feelings at that time were real."
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Postby Shun » Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:38 am

View Original Postkuribo-04 wrote:Our characters enter the eye of the storm during Final Impact. What awaits them there?


Maybe it's a link to other realities, or a place where reality can be manipulated. The NTE message depends on this place. IMHO, Anno has defined in his mind what is this place since at least Evangelion - You can (not) advance. We'll see, I hope it will be something fascinating and above all significant.

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Postby Reichu » Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:45 am

View Original Postkuribo-04 wrote:That hole that seems to be a portal to another world. Kaworu called it the Door of Guf, and we glimpse that weird geometrical shape behind it in Q.

The official Dansubs call them the Gates of Guf, and I've seen "eye of the storm" used to refer to something else during these impacts, so I just wasn't sure what you meant.

@Shun: I admittedly haven't thought about the "black hole" angle as much as I should have, but for now I imagine that "Guf Space" will have strong similarities to its equivalent in NGE. In NGE, there was a sort of Spiritual World (the Sea of LCL) existing in parallel with the physical one, based on a combination of Kabbalistic concepts and sci-fi string theory. In NTE, some sci-fi version of concepts from physics appear to be in play (as you've noted in your analysis), and the return of the phrase "Gates of Guf" implies the existence of a "Chamber" beyond them, much as the Gates led to the Chamber in NGE. Ritsuko's reference to "heaven and earth" could be referring to (A) the spiritual world beyond the Gates and (B) the physical world the characters are currently in.

One idea I've been starting to develop is that the dual nature of the Adams, as complete physical bodies on the one hand and as beings of "energy condensate" on the other, may have something to do with them originating from the other side of the Gates. Energy condensate is their true form, whereas the way they normally appear is their "fallen" form. The fact that Adams seem to possess a unique ability to open the Gates of Guf is very suspicious, and some have wondered if the object beyond the Gates isn't some kind of White Moon equivalent...

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Postby Shun » Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:32 am

@Shun: I admittedly haven't thought about the "black hole" angle as much as I should have, but for now I imagine that "Guf Space" will have strong similarities to its equivalent in NGE. In NGE, there was a sort of Spiritual World (the Sea of LCL) existing in parallel with the physical one, based on a combination of Kabbalistic concepts and sci-fi string theory. In NTE, some sci-fi version of concepts from physics appear to be in play (as you've noted in your analysis), and the return of the phrase "Gates of Guf" implies the existence of a "Chamber" beyond them, much as the Gates led to the Chamber in NGE. Ritsuko's reference to "heaven and earth" could be referring to (A) the spiritual world beyond the Gates and (B) the physical world the characters are currently in.


Absolutely yes, I agree.
In NGE there are Guf Chamber (the red one) and LCL Sea (the orange one), therefore also in NTE there could be some sci-fi metaphysical dimensions.

As for the Moons I don't know ... we know that the "giant core" in 3.0 is the Black Moon, and it looks like a biological spaceship with gills, while the object in the Guf should be a sphere that grows when the Impact get to climax. :|
I thought about the black hole because of GunBuster and DieBuster, and since Anno mentioned Nadia and Karekano he could also mention Gun and Die.

One idea I've been starting to develop is that the dual nature of the Adams, as complete physical bodies on the one hand and as beings of "energy condensate" on the other, may have something to do with them originating from the other side of the Gates. Energy condensate is their true form, whereas the way they normally appear is their "fallen" form. The fact that Adams seem to possess a unique ability to open the Gates of Guf is very suspicious, and some have wondered if the object beyond the Gates isn't some kind of White Moon equivalent...


I like your idea of ​​two bodies (physical and spiritual)!
As for Ritsuko's sentence, I made some considerations in the AVANT 1 analysis (--> image Eva-01 Giant Radiant of 2.0). The union of the Physical World with the Spiritual World.

There are a few things about my second hypothesis (rebuild the world) that I thought but I didn't write:

* Why does the vortex have the colors of the rainbow? My guess is that Anno thought of the Seven Heavens present in various mythologies and religions, and consequently made the connection with the seven colors of the rainbow.

* In 2.0 Gendo says that chaos is a sensation of human, while the world is harmony and order. The Four Noble Truths of Buddhism say that suffering is caused by human's ignorance of the true nature of reality. The true nature of reality is harmony. -> Moksha (Hinduism) Nirvana (Buddhism)

* In January 2018 I had written an article dedicated to the mysterious illustration of Mahiro Maeda (click). The 6-armed Eva might be a reference to some 6-armed deity of Hinduism or Buddhism, and she is holding a dharmachackra and a lotus flower in his hand. The lotus flower is the symbol of the purity of Moksha and Nirvana.

* In the Seventh Heaven of Islam there is the Sidrat al-Muntaha, the Lotus Tree which represents the limit of creation, above this there is God. Perhaps the union of the Adams (Eva13 + Mark06 + Eva01 + Lost Number Nebuchadnezzar) will open the Gates of Guf and this complete Adam will enter in the sphere where he will find the Lotus Tree.

* The branches of the tree could represent all the possibilities or realities, while the trunk of the tree could represent the unification of all the possibilities or realities in one. I though something like a fractal. Heaven and Earth come together in one, Ritsuko says, and so would happen to all possibilities / realities. -> Rebuild the World of harmony and order -> end of suffering

You are (not) alone = You are alone / You are not alone
You can (not) advance = You can advance / You can not advance
You can (not) redo = You can redo / You can not redo
In each title there are two possibilities. They seem like the choices we have to make in life, each time we have to choose one path, while the other we lost it. Each path is a possibility, a single reality.
What happens by unifying all the possibilities in a unicum? You no longer need to choose, so you no longer suffer from mistakes and lost paths.

* In the 2017 poster it says (click):
続 、 After that,
そ し て 終 。and THE END.
非, NOT,
そ し て 反 。and ANTI.

By combining the sentences symmetrically you can get 反 終 ANTI-THE END. In the classic Chinese "Book of Changes" there is the Primordial Antifinal (原始 反 終). In this dimension one can observe the development of all things from beginning to end. The theory of life and death, the cyclicity of existence, the end that gives rise to a new beginning.
In the world of harmony there is no choice because all possibilities are transcended, and therefore there is no suffering of choice.
The original sin is the choice.
The punishment is the death.
The purification is the return to harmony without choice.

* Kiyoko Suizenji's song, "Path of sincerity", can be a clue to abandon the unified path in favor of a sincere path, a choice that will have to be made by Shinji.

It seems to me an interesting idea, it fascinates me, but I don't know what Anno wants to do.
Anno is fascinated by the symbol of the tree. He visited the Osaka Expo in 1970 with his parents, and was very impressed by this event. Osaka's Tower of Sun seems to have inspired Evangelion, for example the face of the Angels resembles the golden mask of the tower, and inside the tower there is the Tree of Life, and in both Nadia and Evangelion there is a tree: the World Tree at the South Pole in Nadia, and the Tree of Life in The End of Evangelion. So I wouldn't be surprised if there was a tree in NTE too.
I had written in 2015 a series of articles dedicated to NGE, in particular in this article I also speak about the Osaka Expo.


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