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Postby silvermoonlight » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:45 am

View Original Postmovieartman wrote:https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/star_wars/making-a-star-wars-film-is-difficult-due-to-a-lack-of-comics-and-novels-says-lucasfilm-president-a171739

R E A L L Y ? ? ?


WTF? There were loads of books in the 90's not to mention the dark horse comics ran tons of issues during the 90's and 2000's... :facepalm:
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Postby Blockio » Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:57 am

There were a lot - before Disney decided to make any and all of them no longer canon :facepalm:
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Postby MirrorUniverseAsuka » Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:24 am

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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:58 am

It’s important to note that Kathleen Kennedy is referring to source materials, not just fiction in literary paper formats. In that sense, she’s 100% correct. Star Wars has no source materials outside of the original trilogy. The EU canon isn’t a source material in the slightest. At best the EU is made up of stories that use the original trilogy as the source material, just like how Kathleen Kennedy is also using the original trilogy as the source material for her derived works.

Like I said before, the real issue with Star Wars is Bob Iger. He’s the king of remakes as the current CEO of Disney, which is evidenced by the remakes of the animated Disney library, and how every superhero origin story in Marvel is simply a stealth remake of Iron Man, with all of the crossover films being stealth remakes of The Avengers. So it’s no surprise to anyone actually paying attention to how this industry actually works that Bob Iger would dictate a bunch of stealth remakes of the original Star Wars trilogy from an executive producer experienced with other LucasFilm properties who was never interesting in making a bunch of stealth remakes until she was asked by a greedy multi-billion dollar corporation to do so.

Also, I’m not getting Disney+. All I want is Bob Iger’s resignation.
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Postby silvermoonlight » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:11 am

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote: Like I said before, the real issue with Star Wars is Bob Iger. He’s the king of remakes as the current CEO of Disney, which is evidenced by the remakes of the animated Disney library, and how every superhero origin story in Marvel is simply a stealth remake of Iron Man, with all of the crossover films being stealth remakes of The Avengers. So it’s no surprise to anyone actually paying attention to how this industry actually works that Bob Iger would dictate a bunch of stealth remakes of the original Star Wars trilogy from an executive producer experienced with other LucasFilm properties who was never interesting in making a bunch of stealth remakes until she was asked by a greedy multi-billion dollar corporation to do so.

Also, I’m not getting Disney+. All I want is Bob Iger’s resignation.


I want him to resign as well but not for the SW reasons but because he isn't letting Disney focus on original and fresh material only crappy reboots as you say plus he might be behind the shelving of Foxs movie catalogue, which is well out of order as it means cinema's cant show movies like Aliens orThe Fly. Along with outright denial that Disney Plus was hacked and hundreds of accounts stolen (When the platform had only been up for less than a day)
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:23 am

^ Oh, that’s definitely true as well. But I’d be kidding myself if I believed that the decisions that Iger’s been making aren’t also the ones that are negatively affecting the Star Wars movies these days.

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Postby MirrorUniverseAsuka » Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:42 pm

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:Like I said before, the real issue with Star Wars is Bob Iger.


I disagree, I think they both to blame and they both need to be criticized/fired.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:55 pm

If Bob Iger wasn’t telling Kathleen Kennedy to make limp, stealth remakes, he’d simply hire someone else and tell them to do the exact same thing. I don’t see how replacing Kathleen Kennedy would resolve any of the issues with these movies. It’s not like she has these issues with any of the other films she’s produced.

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Postby MirrorUniverseAsuka » Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:07 pm

Her own words damn her. Anyway, I'm saying get rid of both of them.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:57 am

Lemme put it this way: I might respect her more if she were to resign. She’s clearly not in control here, Iger is; and no one but Iger can keep that from happening. Looking at her past filmography, none of her previous films share the same issues that her SW movies do. That’s not to say that her past films were flawless, but that those flaws in no way mirror the flaws in Bob Iger’s SW. So, resigning over creative differences would, in a sense, throw Iger under the bus for all of his stupid decisions.

However, it might be Kennedy’s decisions that are the few bits that keep the new SW films from having at least some good parts to them. She’s honestly probably the only thing keeping Star Wars from becoming exactly like Iger’s Classic Disney Remake series. (Comparatively, there is more freshness to the overall narrative musings in Kathleen Kennedy’s Star Wars than there is in Bob Iger’s The Lion King or Beauty and the Beast.) But, either way, the best way to expose that fact short of firing Bob Iger is to have Kennedy’s protective dam break and unleash millions of gallons of Iger’s pure awfulness all over the SW’s fans’ sorry, disappointed faces.

Kennedy deserves to be free, making her own creative decisions, like the ones that formed our childhood. Free to make her honestly more interesting mistakes. (To paraphrase Ray Bradbury, her mistakes are far better than Bob Iger’s.)

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Postby MirrorUniverseAsuka » Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:05 am

No,dude. Watch her interviews. Kathleen Kennedy is not the poor, oppressed woman slaving under The Man. She's just as culpable as he is. They might be different kinds of bad, but they're both still bad.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:04 pm

I’ve seen the interviews. But I have professionally worked on behind the scenes documentaries and filmmaker interviews for various film projects on various budgets, and, while I haven’t worked with Star Wars or Disney specifically, I can spot out a scripted corporate shill piece when I see it. All of her interviews have clearly been Disney stamped for approval by the great Bob Iger Himself, and, at the very least, don’t contradict his vision for Star Wars or its relationship with his company.

See, a lot of Behind the Scenes (BTS) material that is stuffed in the home video releases dictated by the studio itself isn’t necessarily for the benefit for the audiences, it’s for the benefit of the shareholders. For example, the video crew isn’t capturing how these special effects are created for the sake of explaining it to the film enthusiast at home following along with the production. In fact, most filmmakers would rather audiences didn’t know about that stuff so as to keep the “Magic of Hollywood” alive. The video crew is actually documenting these things so the shareholders have something to look at to see how their money is being spent and how well the filmmakers they’ve hired are using the budget allotted to them. BTS content is literally a form of “Big Brother” coming in and making a record of the workflow of that particular production, so everyone documented and interviewed is making sure that they’re saying and doing the right thing by the standards of those shareholders.

Personally, this was a huge learning curve for me going into the industry myself, since this isn’t really a thing that they teach you in film school. They teach you the importance and nuance of film language and various methods of narrative interpretation as the like. So my first couple jobs were constantly punctuated with worried crew members not wanting to incriminate themselves or otherwise look bad, and asking me, “Hey, you weren’t recording that, were you?” Meanwhile the producer wanted my cameras rolling at all times in an attempt to incentivize productivity.

This isn’t to say that no BTS features are made in Hollywood with the viewers in mind. Pixar’s BTS offerings with their first half of collector’s edition DVD releases (from their movies Toy Story thru Cars) actually have a wonderful set of entertaining BTS features made with at least a peripheral goal for audience consumption, peaking somewhere around Finding Nemo with their first film made with a documentary crew throughout the whole production. But after the Disney acquisition of Pixar (made in part by hiring John Lasseter as Disney’s CCO) their special features pivoted in a major way, becoming less off-the-cuff-yet-thorough in their deliveries and more formalized and structured, and including scripted segments like “Women in Pixar” and things like that. (To me, “Women in Pixar” specifically became a real obvious example of a scripted diversion from the at the time yet-undisclosed ongoing sexual harassment from John Lasseter toward the various women who were working at Pixar, as well as a diversion from the rather public lay-off of Brenda Chapman as director of Brave.)

By the by, you’ll notice that the Pixar BTS post Disney acquisition follow a similar format to the BTS of Star Wars post Disney acquisition. The George Lucas prequel days were even similar to the old Pixar BTS of somewhat off-the-cuff-yet-thorough, then pivoting to scripted, structured, and formal under Disney’s supervision. What’s used as “Big Brother” to document the crew is retooled as sizzle reels and promotional materials for the consumer’s disc purchase. This includes interviews with people like Kathleen Kennedy. She (like Kevin Feige, BTW) is hired to jump when she’s told to. If she’s documented on video as not jumping when told, then Bob Iger will just hire someone else who will. Simple as that.


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