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Postby FelipeFritschF » Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:20 am

So we spent most of the day discussing this on the EGF Discord. Perhaps it warrants some discussion here as well.

Sadamoto calls the statue of peace, a remembrance of Japanese war crimes a "vulgar/dirty girl" (https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20 ... na/005000c)) and says Korean movies centering around Japanese imperialism are propaganda from Korea. In fact, he refrains from even saying Korea, referring to it instead as "that country".

He says that the statue of peace lacks "elements that modern art needs." In one of the tweets Sadamoto replied (https://twitter.com/Y_Sadamoto/status/1 ... 3568462850) to, he says that the statue was a beautiful comfort woman and Korean and Vietnamese people gathered to eat a boiling pot of the Japanese soldier's genitals. He feels that the statue could make its point across better.

In response, several East Asian fans started a tag against him, sending pics of them cutting of burning Sadamoto's works, like the Eva manga. I also found some fanart of Rei wearing traditional Korean attire.

Trying to defend himself (https://twitter.com/Y_Sadamoto/status/1 ... 5309458432), he that he likes K-popand has nothing against the statue itself, but dislikes the design. And says he even has Korean friends. I'm serious.

Another thread explaining this: https://www.resetera.com/threads/illust ... ue.133908/

He did not stop there though, Sadamoto kept tweeting very aggressively and offensively for hours. I'm told he's using super offensive Japanese, which an achievement in and out of itself, replying to pretty much every random account with 5 tweets and 0 followers.

The reason this might be relevant to Eva: he's indicating his involvement with the Rebuilds is dwindling, where it was already fairly low to begin with. Of course, this matches multiple other statements like him saying he bonus chapter in the manga is fanservice and not canon (https://wavemotioncannon.com/2017/02/21 ... ember-2016), but it's interesting that he simply mentions not being directly involved besides his credits as "original character designer". Now, though, he implies he has completely distanced himself from Eva. Perhaps he's had some sort of falling out?

https://twitter.com/Y_Sadamoto/status/1 ... 1642894336

"All the excellent staff will do their best, so i'm sure it will be interesting. I do not participate in the actual work at all, so please watch it in June next year in peace."

https://twitter.com/Y_Sadamoto/status/1 ... 1642894336

Sadamoto, according to one of our translator users, is saying he has completely resigned from Khara and had no involvement whatsoever.

https://twitter.com/y_sadamoto/status/1 ... 99681?s=21

Liberal translation by one EGF Discord user:

“Do you have any words to Korean Evangelion fans who wanted to watch the next one?”

“If you wanna watch it then watch, if you don’t want to than don’t. Got nothin’ to do with me. But even if you say don’t watch they’ll watch anyway lmao. It’s the last one. It’s gonna be fucking great.”

His credits are:

>Evangelion: 1.0 You Are (Not) Alone (movie) : Character Design, Animation Supervisor, Key Animation
>Evangelion: 2.0 You Can (Not) Advance (movie) : Original Character Design, Assistant Animation Director
>Evangelion: 3.0 You Can (Not) Redo (movie) : Original Character Design, Image Board
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Postby Reichu » Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:22 am

View Original PostFelipeFritschF wrote:he's confirming yet again that he's completely uninvolved with the Rebuilds.

Not quite true. His involvement has just been gradually dwindling, to the point that he has no real involvement on the very last film. Zeruss posted this during the discussion in question:

Evangelion: 1.0 You Are (Not) Alone (movie) : Character Design, Animation Supervisor, Key Animation
Evangelion: 2.0 You Can (Not) Advance (movie) : Original Character Design, Assistant Animation Director
Evangelion: 3.0 You Can (Not) Redo (movie) : Original Character Design, Image Board

There's going to be some new character design in the last film (since we know adult versions of Toji, Hikari, and Kensuke are incoming), but it sounds like that'll be the extent of what he did?

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Postby FelipeFritschF » Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:41 am

Alright, I admit this thread is super messy, I knew what you mentioned (edited it just before seeing your reply). As for Touji et al... maybe?

What if they got Yamashita to do it? Maybe Sadamoto just did it years in advance?

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Postby TMBounty_Hunter » Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:19 am

Sadamoto has always acted more like a freelancer than a full on khara member. He never completely broke off from Gainax and Yamaga either and his name is on a bunch of those development hell projects.

If they get anyone else to do characters it's gonna be the Character Animation Director, who's Takeshi Honda at this point.


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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:07 pm

That sounds as hot-button if a war topic as the American Civil War is where I live. For whatever reason people still get all bent out of shape over it even though there’s been no real conflict for decades/centuries now. It’s always best to ignore such subjects on Twitter; it’s just not a good place for detailed or nuanced opinions.

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Postby TMBounty_Hunter » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:24 pm

Japan/South Korea relationship has taken a plunge down the shitter lately because this happened and due to the current state of the world they refused to sort it out like adults

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Japa ... on_dispute

Instead they started a trade war and reignited all the other past issues with more vigor than ever.

Idiotic vitriol geysers are kinda expected at this point.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:48 am

Oh, okay. That actually explains a few things. It’s less “Sadamoto hates South Korean statue, says dumb things, receives backlash,” but more “political tensions are escalating and everyone’s getting emotionally caught up in it, both making and criticizing art specifically to make the other nation feel bad over it.”

That seems to be a given in much of the world today, sadly. I still think Twitter isn’t the place for that, especially for creatives that traditionally make us feel better with their art and ideas (and not worse), but it looks like the whole environment is like that, so behavior like that is just to be expected, unfortunately.

Also, I remember Sadamoto being credited as an animator of some kind for 1.11, but never realized that his participation was less as the film’s continued. I wonder if this explains the slightly elongated chins in Eva Q; Sadamoto just wasn’t completely on board with the project anymore and the character designs shifted slightly as a result.

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Postby robersora » Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:56 am

I love his artwork, and I want to give him the benefit of doubt, but either way, this string of tweets isn't good.
Maybe he got drunk and was frustrated? I know I say things I don't mean, when I'm overly stressed.
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Postby pwhodges » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:35 am

Even before hearing about the recent Japan/Korea tensions, I was unexcited by this news. To save myself more effort I'll just quote myself from another forum:

Hmm. Man in late 50s says something which younger people (most obviously) find offensive (maybe justifiably). Doesn't sound like the most startling of news. He may be a god for his illustrations, and even for his part in making NGE what it was; but great art is no guarantee of great political insight, neither for him nor for any other artist (in the more general sense). Great artists can be fools too.
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Postby Reichu » Sun Aug 11, 2019 1:04 pm

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:I wonder if this explains the slightly elongated chins in Eva Q; Sadamoto just wasn’t completely on board with the project anymore and the character designs shifted slightly as a result.

The character designs shift toward whoever is the character animation director. In Jo and Ha, it was Matsubara, and in Q, it was Honda.

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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:13 pm

I saw this development on Twitter as it was unfolding, but to clarify Sadamoto's involvement with Khara. The topic title should be changed, because one of his Tweets (dunno if since deleted) mentioned he long ago completely quit Khara (thus, he has nothing to do with Shin Eva). He was only credited in Eva Q for the original designs.

Still, the fact that he feels like he gets a free pass on saying whatever the :angry!!: he wants gets my piss boiling. I wonder if Khara will have to release some kind of "we don't condone this" statement since Japanese fans mentioned plans on boycotting Shin Eva because of his statements? (I like how one fan pointed out to Sadamoto/another fan that Nadia wouldn't stand for Sadamoto's discrimination, either.)

Random fans have pointed out in the past how Sadamoto on Twitter very clearly follows some Right accounts. I just don't know what the hell he was thinking, to go off on his racist rants, other than wanting to drum up controversy? I was thinking maybe he as drunk as hell, too, but sadly the older Japanese crowd not owning up to what happened during WW2 (especially those old men with the current politic power) is sadly nothing new; lots of people (moreso quietly?) share that viewpoint.

In old interviews, Anno's said some pretty anti-American/pro-Imperialist statements, but at least he smartly doesn't seem to publicly bring up those opinions anymore....
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:24 pm

View Original PostSailor Star Dust wrote:In old interviews, Anno's said some pretty anti-American/pro-Imperialist statements, but at least he smartly doesn't seem to publicly bring up those opinions anymore....

He may have changed his mind since then, seeing as how his most political works (Shin Godzilla) don’t have any of those political tendencies. Sure, he criticizes aspects of a democratic Japan in that film, but he ultimately decides that democracy is worth it in the end.

But even that all might just be Anno being a cultural contrarian to some extent. Even Japan’s Prime Minister has said some things about wanting to return the country to a form of Emperor worship just like the pre-War days. And, to be completely fair, Japan’s birth rates and job satisfaction were a lot better then than they are now. The whole country is weakened in some pretty significant ways, and they’re desperate for a solution that fits their cultural values. It just always concerns me when they start thinking that Imperialism is the solution. And while I believe that Anno was being sincere with the political views in Shin Godzilla, I do wonder if him initially shifting towards his more current, pro-democratic outlook was a result of some pretty major players in Japan shifting towards the opposite direction.

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Postby MuscleRobo » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:07 am

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:He may have changed his mind since then, seeing as how his most political works (Shin Godzilla) don’t have any of those political tendencies. Sure, he criticizes aspects of a democratic Japan in that film, but he ultimately decides that democracy is worth it in the end.

But even that all might just be Anno being a cultural contrarian to some extent. Even Japan’s Prime Minister has said some things about wanting to return the country to a form of Emperor worship just like the pre-War days. And, to be completely fair, Japan’s birth rates and job satisfaction were a lot better then than they are now. The whole country is weakened in some pretty significant ways, and they’re desperate for a solution that fits their cultural values. It just always concerns me when they start thinking that Imperialism is the solution. And while I believe that Anno was being sincere with the political views in Shin Godzilla, I do wonder if him initially shifting towards his more current, pro-democratic outlook was a result of some pretty major players in Japan shifting towards the opposite direction.


I've always suspected Anno was part of the kind of "dangerous" subculture of military otaku. It seems like in every one of his works, including Shin Godzilla which you mentioned earlier and Eva obviously, there's randomly a chance for America to help Japan but they refuse and make things worse instead only for Germany to step up and help Japan? Plus some remarks he's made about "Article 9" but the serious discussion subform was shut down a while ago so I won't get too into it. There's certainly a divide between the generations in Japan though based on my own personal experience. The only people who have been rude to me were older people telling me to "SPEAK Japanese" or "THANKS FOR THE ENGLISH LESSON" while I was talking to friends in English on the street or on the train. Young people have gone out of their way though to ask me what country I'm from or other things. One time at the sento there was a documentary on the TV in a corner about World War II and they had some really embarrassing and racist US Propaganda cartoons and the person near me must've been able to tell I was embarrassed because they looked over and told me "don't worry in school now they teach us all about the war and that we were doing bad things." Thought that was interesting was all.

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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:45 am

I don't recall an Anno work where America refuses to help Japan. Sure, the US Nerv organization isn't aware that it has an Eva that in infected with an Angel, and that does make things worse for Japan, and Japan initially requests the assistance of the US in Shin Godzilla. As for Anno being a Japanese military otaku, sure, but he's probably the only Japanese military otaku that only shows the Japanese military being impotent with everything they touch. The Japanese military can't take down an Angel, Japanese military can't take down Godzilla, even the non-Japanese militaries/Navys can't take down the Nautilus... the only time Anno wrote anything where the Japanese took over a large portion of the world was Gunbuster, and those narrative elements seem like such an outlier in his overall works.

I'm not negating your experience with there being a generational divide in Japan, and I'm pretty sure Anno isn't immune from somehow thing lumped in there somewhere (like most "boomers," I'm sure he has a lot of unfortunate ideas), but I don't think he has any "dangerous" political ideologies anymore. (At least, not that I know of...) But if you'd like to PM me more details, I'd appreciate it.

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Postby busterbeam » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:12 pm

I was making fun of Anno's nationalistic tendencies back in, like, 2007. His comments about the superiority of pre-war Japan (while, as far as I know, never really addressing that his views on gender and love of strong non-traditional women wouldn't have flown then...) and the Gunbuster lore for example.

Classic Gainax obviously had lots of military nerds, but you know something no one dares bring up? Miyazaki, Anno's friend, met up with a real nazi veteran tank operator to show off his tank manga.

This stuff is rampant with Japanese creators. Jojo portrays Stroheim as cool, sexy and heroic and Joseph cries when he apparently sacrifices himself. Not a single of Yaginuma's industry followers questioned him when he came out as a full-blown Nazi, faving Hitler propaganda and saying the holocaust was a lie. Makoto Kobayashi? Trump fan who also faved tweets from Japanese accounts saying the holocaust never happened. Angel Cop and its in-your-face stuff about "the jews"? Just discarded as a "minor schlock OVA" - when in reality it's something many high-profile anime staff worked on - and the baby of Ichiro Itano, creator of the Itano Circus and one of the most influential Japanese animators of all time.

I think people like to focus on really overt outliers but never talk about the overall culture of these industries. Questionable stuff is deeply entrenched in animation; American animation too. Everyone is mad at John Kricfalusi but ignores that many of his friends who helped cover up his child grooming (it was stated by one of their past employees that EVERYONE at Spumco knew he had a 16 year old girlfriend) are still successful and never questioned.

I don't know the larger context of that imagery Sadamoto criticized but unless he's actually saying "this never happened, Japan never oppressed Korea!", there's much worse stuff than this take. I dunno, I'm kinda torn on it; I think people should acknowledge the oppression of the past and how it's far form completely gone today, but I'm also against an "original sin" approach and I know Japan had an "anti-Japaneseism" movement. I don't think that stuff helps either. I think multiculturalism when truly about everyone getting together and seeing beyond tribalism over race, nationality etc is good but I also think it's now being used by powerful people, left and right, to stir shit and divide people
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Postby Reichu » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:56 pm

View Original Postbusterbeam wrote:Miyazaki, Anno's friend, met up with a real nazi veteran tank operator to show off his tank manga.

If true, I dunno what that's supposed to mean in and of itself. Like, sure it looks bad, if your moral barometer is set to "no nuance allowed". To illustrate where I'm coming from: My family is full of people with political viewpoints so progressive left that many would vomit in disgust, and one of these very people is into Nazi stuff. He would absolutely chat up someone who had worked under Nazi leadership if given an opportunity (and be perfectly congenial about it). The things you find interesting don't necessarily have any bearing on how you think people should be treated; nor are you yourself a bad person who is somehow contaminated by association if you happen to think that people who have done bad things have interesting things to say, too.

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Postby busterbeam » Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:22 pm

I dunno it's kinda weird to meet up a nazi tank operator so you can show him your cool tank comic. http://www.zimmerit.moe/hayao-miyazaki-goes-to-war/

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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:34 am

I’m not saying that Anno never had nationalistic Japanese views, because those are blatant in his early works. I’m just saying that he seems to have mellowed our since then. Everything since NGE seems to be more focused on the well-being of the individual, and not so much the nation. And, if Anno was sincere about everything he wrote for Nadia (which, to a certain extent, includes Miyazaki as well), then he believes that teams of non-nationalistic people (AKA, the Nautilus) is the best way to go about building a utopia, not Japanese Imperialism.

But, it can be weird and confusing to mix one’s stories with their political beliefs. For example, Joss Whedon is against guns, but has guns being used by the heroes in almost every one of his action films and TV shows. It’s not uncommon for one’s political ideologies to not be in sync with their narrative sensibilities. This is why I frame all of these statements with “if Anno is sincere about what he writes, then he must believe ___________ these days.” Outside of having an interview with him every year for him to update us on his political beliefs (or him suddenly getting a Twitter and going on a rant about how Hitler did nothing wrong), we have no other way of knowing what he believes right now in the present day.
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Postby Joseki » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:13 am

A German tank operator doesn't have to be into Nazism. Most german soldiers were just send into battle.

Unless the subject in question is known to have nazi ideas right now, in our times.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:19 pm

View Original Postbusterbeam wrote:Miyazaki’s movie The Wind Rises ignores the atrocities of warfare during WWII in favor for a focused look at plane R&D."

Fixed that for you.

Look, we can criticize a lot of these people all day. There just needs to be actual substance to the criticism is all. Miyazaki didn’t high five Nazis. Anno didn’t spew anti Korean vitriol on Twitter. None of their contemporary politically- minded works go anywhere near Japanese Imperialism.

Sadamoto went full Boomer and said some dumb shit on Twitter. He’s a jack ass for doing so. Let’s stop getting needlessly mad over Miyazaki and his tanks and planes stories, or at Anno for being frustrated with government red tape during the Fukushima disaster.


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