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Postby Reichu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:02 am

>no indication

That's nice and all, but detailed arguments have been previously linked to and they don't go away just because you don't want to address them.

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Postby CyberXIII » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:06 am

I didn't address them because they ignore a lot of things the actual cast and crew said about Kaworu in particular, or bring in works/anecdotes that no one ever said had anything to do with Evangelion. For example, he knows Shinji because according to Akira Ishida, he's been through all this before.

"How should Nagisa Kaworu behave after he’s accumulated several different cycles in his past?" were his exact words.

And, again, there's the obvious bits, like Kaworu putting Shinji's choker around his neck or again, being the only person in the setting to treat him with anything resembling respect. I'm just focusing on the text here or the official statements first and foremost.
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Postby Blockio » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:17 am

View Original PostCyberXIII wrote:they ignore a lot of things the actual cast and crew said about Kaworu in particular,

I'm just gonna leave this here...
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Postby Reichu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:45 am

View Original PostCyberXIII wrote:I didn't address them because they ignore a lot of things (...) according to Akira Ishida, he's been through all this before.

Well, that just tells me that you didn't even read them, since one of the threads totally addresses that. :tongue: (Though not so much what Ishida said as what Kaworu says in the films themselves, which is... rather more important.)

being the only person in the setting to treat him with anything resembling respect.

Is "respect" a code word for "looking pretty and pretending to coddle someone while grooming them toward an end game you've been planning for 20+ years that you don't respect them enough to tell them about", now?

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Postby FelipeFritschF » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:07 am

I remember something about how Ishida said something more like "iterations" in the Japanese and he was talking about it in a meta sense instead of confirming any theory.

I will say though, I find the "only person who treats Shinji well" argument to be almost insulting when we have, say, Misato. The whole point is that real people aren't gonna be 100% nice to you all the time because there is no such thing with real people, but that doesn't mean that they aren't nice at all, even if Shinji thinks otherwise.

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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:24 pm

View Original PostCyberXIII wrote:I didn't address them because they ignore a lot of things the actual cast and crew said about Kaworu in particular, or bring in works/anecdotes that no one ever said had anything to do with Evangelion.

The cast also admit that they have no idea where the series is going, and the only crew member with the pen writing the script is Anno, and I don’t recall him saying that much in interviews about how Kaworu is a sweet and innocent boy.

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Postby FelipeFritschF » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:53 pm

Ishida is even asked if piloting Eva 13 is like a love scene (amazing how interviewers for Kaworu-related interviews can't help themselves) and just outright says "I don't think I can make that interpretation. You'll have to ask the director."

Very professional of him, which is more than I can say for many actors out there...


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