eldomtom2 wrote:The Hegelian stuff may be, but any sort of attempt to link EoE and EoTV is on dodgy ground, and it's on practically-collapsing ground if the attempt is to link the themes, considering EoE is partially a repudiation of the message and themes of EoTV.
I'm tired so sorry if not clear:
You are being way to black and white over an interview where Anno is talking about himself in retrospective and where all his responses are vague and about how he relates with the show after the fact. By vague I mean he doesn't go into specifics. Personally, I would recommend to people to appreciate these details when reading that interview.
The reason this matter is that we don't know how much of it(the structure of his thesis I.E themes) he dislikes so it could all be the same up until the latter parts of the ending and by latter I mean like potentially as far off as last 60 seconds(spitting out random but totally possible number) so treating the interview the way Eldomtom is treating it is very likely not best IMO. I suggest if someone feels strongly convinced by that interview and cares enough to find out what's different to go over all the dialogue/images/cuts/shots and explain clearly why and where EoE departs from Eotv. The logic/departure will be in there somewhere, Anno is a very deliberate director imo.
At anyrate, I'm like satisfied enough in general and I kinda already had the opinion that one of the problems with Eotv is that it too soft/it just words/ it's fastasy like/it's easy. Given how vague he is in the interview I'm personally gonna just go with him be overall dissatisfied with the final aesthetic that Eotv had since it comes off too "and they lived happily ever after". But like I said I'm satisfied so random common sense guessing isn't really bothering me. But, If you think it's like a lot more than that to the point it's worth sharing then like do so.
Note: I'm quoting myself/post: "Important: This is the point where you can make your own opinion on the meaning of this/ My opinion/Analysis"
The specific reason I choose that point as the branching off part was that there is no direct analog to the choking scene in Eotv as far as it's meaning goes. Imo the choking scene is the addition added that wasn't present in Eotv. I didn't make that explicit because it wasn't really the point of the post and I didn't think it really mattered much at the time but I guess it did given the interview. Not that I'm like directly arguing with you, I'm only saying that's how I would've responded to it/acknowledge it had I had it in mind when I wrote the post.
lol, In short "collapsing ground" is probably an exaggeration. Anyways it's all just my 2 cents.
Ps: If there's any more interview proof /counter argument please share. Also, I noticed the pics don't work on the old post, I'll fix it later.
Full Interview from Gwern: (This is full snippet on site anyways)
…Anno: That’s the same thing as I [myself] becoming an adult. I’m often asked if Shinji-kun [represents] an old version of myself, but that’s not the case. Shinji-kun is my current self (laughing). I act like a fourteen-year-old boy; I’m still childish. No matter how you look at it, in psychological terms, I’m [still] in the Oral Stage. A melancholic oral-dependent type. Well, this is a truth I can’t deny; I can’t do anything about it. I wanted to move forward from there, but the result was that I ended up regressing back to myself. A dead end.
Takekuma: Then in a certain sense the final episode of Eva is an unhappy ending.
Anno: Right, in a certain sense. If you take moving beyond that as being happy, then it’s an unhappy ending. If you think it’s fine, then it’s a happy ending.
Takekuma: At first glance, it takes the form of a happy ending.
Anno: I made [the idea?] the title of the last song on the soundtrack CD. “Good, or Don’t Be.” OK, or don’t live. Good or bad. [Or] is it both? I revealed a little bit of my feelings there. However, I believe that we have stopped growing where we are and are going around in circles under a [kind of] moratorium, but one [reason] is that we have lost our [capacity for] modeling. There is nothing original in human beings. If I don’t know Japanese at least, I can’t communicate. Since my parents spoke this way, that’s how I speak. If my parents spoke English I would speak English, even if I was in Japan. If my friends spoke Japanese, and I didn’t know what [they were saying], then I would go over to speaking in Japanese. I can’t invent the Japanese language myself. I’m only capable of doing things through imitation. At that time I begin to imitate my parents and siblings, those closest to me. I can either honor my parents and succeed them, or rebel and follow a different path from my parents. Either way, if I don’t have a model, then I can do neither one. No matter how much of a genius one is, there is something that awakes inspiration. If, like me, you look at nothing but manga and anime, when you have thought up something and created it, what you have thought up will only be something that you have forgotten; without question there will be some previous source for it. Then you will realize it, and recognize what it was, and feel a little bad. Since that was all you looked at, well, it was inevitable, because you are just unconsciously drawing out those things that have sedimented inside of you. No matter how much of a genius you are, if you are translating the emotions of seeing a [certain] flower into a song or a novel, if you were not really cognizant of that flower, you will not get the novel or the song. Human beings cannot create something out of nothing. With so much information flooding [us], we don’t know what we should be modeling. Even if I don’t know my classmate’s birth date, I’ll know on what day Momoe Yamaguchi was born (laughing). I’ll know the minute [details of] an idol’s profile, like her bust, waist, and hip measurements. It’s a world, I think, where you feel closer to Momoe Yamaguchi than to your classmate. Characters on television have a stronger feeling of reality than your classmates who really exist. It’s incredible, the awareness that the virtual is higher than the real. Growing up in such an environment, we aren’t sure if things that are well done have been created or not. [?] When we get older, even if we recognize that those things are false, we take what the announcer on NHK news says to be true. The Japanese have a strong tendency in this direction.
