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Postby Zeta_One » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:57 pm

What's with the negativity towards the anime movies? Yeah, the first one is forgettable. Though it's harmless and nothing worse than what a Godzilla film generally delivers besides a reduced focus on the monsters. City on the Edge of Battle was an immense improvement over the first film and one of my favorite Godzilla films. I quite liked the philosophical conflict and character dynamics. It has a lot more going for it intellectually and narratively than the bulk of the serious Godzilla movies.

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Postby Chuckman » Sun Dec 30, 2018 1:31 am

They’re slow moving ponderous drivel full of incomprehensible pseudo profundity that somehow make an animated Godzilla look as if they made the movie with a rubber toy.

If they’d made one feature instead of padding what is obviously a 90 minute script into 3 long movies it might actually be good.
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Postby Zeta_One » Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:13 am

I'd completely agree that the first film is disposable and does little more than hurt the trilogy. What value it has could easily be removed and used to supplement its sequel. But the second movie really works for me and I tend to view it as its own thing. The relevant characters are fleshed out, the world is expanded upon in interesting ways, and themes are given time to breathe. We see the alliance between the three initial factions begin to fall apart as disagreements about how to handle Godzilla emerge and this eventually leads to a pretty emotional climax. Haruo, who has a lot on his plate, comes across as sympathetic this time and has matured quite a bit since the last film. He questions himself and worries about whether he's doing the right thing or if he's harming those he cares about. It's like Shin Godzilla with its world-building. Just trade the politics with philosophy. Technology vs religion and the value of our humanity. City on the Edge of Battle feels like a proper film with an interesting hook for a follow-up attached. The third movie isn't on Netflix yet so I can't comment too much on that one, though rumors about a Lovecraftian Ghidorah definitely has me intrigued.

Godzilla's lumbering nature seems intentional to me and is standard for standalone films. Look back at Godzilla (1954), Return of Godzilla, and Shin Godzilla. It's taken to a greater extreme here since this Godzilla dwarfs all previous versions by a considerable margin. Something that size would move slowly. And, think about it, would the supreme lord of the land really need to move with any urgency? No serious threat has opposed him in thousands of years.

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Postby Chuckman » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:03 am

I didn’t really mean the speed of his movement. The creature design is so stiff and lifeless that they mmanage to make it look fake, for lack of a better word, despite being animated.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:40 pm

^ Exactly. When they first announced a Godzilla anime, I was wondering how they would realize the movement of such a creature in animation. After watching the Godzilla anime, I still wonder how they would realize his movement because Godzilla hardly moves in these movies.

See, usually Godzilla, like, picks up a bus and he throws it back down as he wades through the buildings toward the center of town. And if he's not doing that, Godzilla's usually performing boxing moves or is clawing at Rodan in a monster fight or something. But these anime Godzilla movies are the first in film history where Godzilla just stands in one spot throughout the entire movie as people fly in circles around his head. He shows up, does nothing, and gets shot at for it. I honestly prefer Godzilla's Revenge over this. At least in that one Godzilla moves around and actually fights things.

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Postby silvermoonlight » Mon Dec 31, 2018 1:09 pm

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:^ Exactly. When they first announced a Godzilla anime, I was wondering how they would realize the movement of such a creature in animation. After watching the Godzilla anime, I still wonder how they would realize his movement because Godzilla hardly moves in these movies.

See, usually Godzilla, like, picks up a bus and he throws it back down as he wades through the buildings toward the center of town. And if he's not doing that, Godzilla's usually performing boxing moves or is clawing at Rodan in a monster fight or something. But these anime Godzilla movies are the first in film history where Godzilla just stands in one spot throughout the entire movie as people fly in circles around his head. He shows up, does nothing, and gets shot at for it. I honestly prefer Godzilla's Revenge over this. At least in that one Godzilla moves around and actually fights things.


I think this is this huge issue with size they wanted bigger they wanted meaner but the bigger you make a monster the more slow moving it becomes as the CGI has to move it realistically and that Godzilla is like some super leviathan version, hence it has real limited movement and gets real boring real quick (This is why I think after Shin Godzilla they should have kept in that size range and not gone this way.)
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Postby Chuckman » Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:05 pm

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:^ Exactly. When they first announced a Godzilla anime, I was wondering how they would realize the movement of such a creature in animation. After watching the Godzilla anime, I still wonder how they would realize his movement because Godzilla hardly moves in these movies.

See, usually Godzilla, like, picks up a bus and he throws it back down as he wades through the buildings toward the center of town. And if he's not doing that, Godzilla's usually performing boxing moves or is clawing at Rodan in a monster fight or something. But these anime Godzilla movies are the first in film history where Godzilla just stands in one spot throughout the entire movie as people fly in circles around his head. He shows up, does nothing, and gets shot at for it. I honestly prefer Godzilla's Revenge over this. At least in that one Godzilla moves around and actually fights things.


I don't even understand why the people in the movie who came back from space don't just go to the far end of the planet and build a city there.

Oh no! It's Godzilla! He's gradually coming this way!
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Postby Zeta_One » Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:40 pm

I'm not sure what this says about me as a fan, though I not mind Godzilla's depiction in these movies and I'm okay with being indifferent towards Godzilla if that Godzilla exists in an interesting film. And as a work of serious science-fiction, which is what most recent Godzilla films fall under, City on the Edge of Battle is one of the stronger films in the series. Godzilla movies are rarely ever "about" Godzilla. He does what he has always done in the standalone movies. Ruin urban environments and spam his nuclear breath. This is true for Godzilla (1954) where he was catharsis for post-war Japan and true for Shin Godzilla where he represents the challenges which post-Fukushima Japan struggles with.

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Postby movieartman » Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:12 pm

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Postby silvermoonlight » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:06 pm

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I love that King Ghidorah really feels true to the Godzilla franchise as I was worried about how he was gonna turn out. ^_^
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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:36 pm

They better have something special planned for Godzilla Vs. Kong because frankly, after the excellence that is King Ghidorah, having Godzilla go up against a giant monkey (APE!) is going to be a major letdown.

... I anticipate they will have to turn to ALIENS to up the ante!

Also, the last Godzilla anime film, Godzilla: The Planet Eater, where King Ghidorah has been turned into a giant glowing gold noodle gets dropped on Netflix next Wednesday - January 9, 2019. The placeholders will be done. Then, after GvsK hits theaters in Summer 2020 I believe Toho's contractual obligations with Legendary/Warner Brothers frees them up to begin production on new original Japanese Godzilla films. I'm okay with Anno's Shin Godzilla being a standalone film. I think that's the perfect place to end it.

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Postby Chuckman » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:53 pm

If I had to predict: Godzilla from his wounds in KotM and vs. Kong has an immature Godzilla and Mechangodzilla.

Whatever it is they do, I just hope they go fuck it and go full ham, because fuck it. Stop giving a fuck about realism, Hollywood. Realism is boring. I can get realism at the grocery store. My eggs expired and I had to pick up new ones. That's realism.
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Postby Zeta_One » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:31 pm

The Planet Eater dropped on Netflix today.

The Planet Eater reminded me a bit of The End of Evangelion as you have an extended sequence dedicated to the inner struggle of the protagonist and Metphies attempting something reminiscent of human instrumentality. I liked the themes it raises and it manages to commit to its themes, something a lot of modern Godzilla films struggle with, though it does not bite as hard as The End of Evangelion. Urobuchi and the directors could have gone more surreal. But I had a good time.

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Postby BlueBasilisk » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:28 pm

Apparently Urobuchi and co wanted to do more crazy monster action but TOHO mandated that they couldn't have any monster vs monster fights. Like having the city transform into a 1km Mechagodzilla with all the Showa version's bizarre gimmicks or even have the city's cannons transform into Mechagodzilla heads as they started firing. If you're not going to allow monster fights, why not do it in a modern setting where it's just Godzilla instead of this future setting where monsters have taken over the planet? :huh:

Godzilla Earth is a neat design and his hyper beam heat ray is cool but he never really has a chance to show off.

King of the Monsters is looking really good though. I have high hopes for that. I really enjoyed G14 but the white bread military guy MC was rather dull.

View Original PostChuckman wrote:If I had to predict: Godzilla from his wounds in KotM and vs. Kong has an immature Godzilla and Mechangodzilla.

Whatever it is they do, I just hope they go fuck it and go full ham, because fuck it. Stop giving a fuck about realism, Hollywood. Realism is boring. I can get realism at the grocery store. My eggs expired and I had to pick up new ones. That's realism.

Let Kong pilot a MechaniKong power suit like a Jaeger. :emogendo:
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Postby Chuckman » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:55 pm

View Original PostBlueBasilisk wrote:

Let Kong pilot a MechaniKong power suit like a Jaeger. :emogendo:


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