Ray wrote: She also says she's 'underwhelmed' by the score. She wonders why they couldn't have used the original scores by Kenji Kawai, because a lot of what made the original GITS great was the memorable score and the use of the Japanese choir and instruments.

That doesn't strike me as a reasonable expectation.

But this Section 9 featurette (released yesterday maybe?) looks to me more like a glimpse of a pretty decent movie. The sound really does have a distinct feel to it.

SoryuUberAlles wrote:But this Section 9 featurette (released yesterday maybe?) looks to me more like a glimpse of a pretty decent movie. The sound really does have a distinct feel to it.

That does give some hope that the movie will be more like GitS than the preview indicated.

I note that it explicitly says that it is based on the manga ("comic"). Criticism based on comparisons with the animated films or SAC should be considered taking that into account.

SoryuUberAlles wrote:But this Section 9 featurette (released yesterday maybe?) looks to me more like a glimpse of a pretty decent movie. The sound really does have a distinct feel to it.

Bagheera wrote:That does give some hope that the movie will be more like GitS than the preview indicated.

Just saw this & was coming here to post it.
Just finishing the 1st season of SAC & I love the team interactions so this really makes me hopeful that the team won't be too neglected in this film.

Just listened to the new track for the movie by Tricky. I thought it was very eerie and trance-like (a familiar feeling from the original tracks) but most of the comments were pretty dismissive.

I've been consistently surprised at all the negativity being thrown at everything this movie is doing, and it hasn't even been released yet.

It seems like all the old fans of the 95 movie just wanted a scene for scene, sound for sound live action remake of the movie and are salty that they aren't getting it. To the point the work and anything it does is deemed worthless.

What's especially odd is how infallible the 95 movie is treated. Like, the rose tinting is cranked up to maximum. Let's be honest, the film is fantastic, but its themes (touted as groundbreaking for the genre) were things that sci-fi creators had been delving into and exploring since the 60s. It wasn't anything new or particularly original. What made GitS exceptional was its execution.

I can understand the skepticism, (Casting ScarJo, merging various elements from SAC, the manga and the movie) but I don't get the outrage.

If this turns into another Eragon, then I might be a little more sympathetic. But I have a feeling no matter how well this movie emulates GitS, the hardcore fans won't be swayed because it isn't the 95 movie and is therefore trash.

Glor wrote:Just listened to the new track for the movie by Tricky. I thought it was very eerie and trance-like (a familiar feeling from the original tracks) but most of the comments were pretty dismissive.

I've been consistently surprised at all the negativity being thrown at everything this movie is doing, and it hasn't even been released yet.

It seems like all the old fans of the 95 movie just wanted a scene for scene, sound for sound live action remake of the movie and are salty that they aren't getting it. To the point the work and anything it does is deemed worthless.

As a fan of the original 95 movie I don't want a shot for shot of this movie, I just want Hollywood to pay attention to the source material because this has in the past caused anime and video game movies to fail, things like dragon ball Z, avatar and street fighter ended up being jokes and utter failures. Plus with things like GITS and Akira the source material has massive importance.

silvermoonlight wrote:with thing like GITS and Akira the source material has massive importance.

Of course, otherwise what would be the point? We'd end up with messes like DBZ and Avatar, like you said. And I wasn't implying ALL fans of the original movie want a copy-pasta remake, but it does seem to be an overwhelming majority - and they're not willing to accept any kind of changes or deviations from the 95 movie, even if it deepens or enhances the sliver of the world we were shown. It isn't like GitS didn't leave itself open for this.

What shows promise for live action GitS is the amount of attention we have seen to the details, while drawing really unique inspiration of its own from things like Bladerunner. My hope, like most others, is that the plot is not as straight forward as it's been advertised.

I go into a film like this with the same mentality I would say watching one of the Resident Evil live action adaptations, not expecting a great project but at the very least a good homage. Also, if you can believe me, I have never really seen ScarJo's other movie projects besides Home Alone 3 so it would be an experience to say the least in how she performs all grown up.

Waterway fight released...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90OX7x7KeVE
CGI for the city looks much better, feels much more in the distance.
Tone of the fight & music is spot on.
But I wish they toned down the distortion as she de-cloaked as it was in the 1st trailer.
And the CGI on her foot as it his his chest was really bad.

Opening shootout.
Lmao at the people saying the film would throw out the philosophical/societal concerns & implications, we got someone raising them in this very opening sequence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPdkKHtqp7U

Holy shit that was awesome!

movieartman wrote:Opening shootout.
Lmao at the people saying the film would throw out the philosophical/societal concerns & implications, we got someone raising them in this very opening sequence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPdkKHtqp7U

That doesn't look bad at all, I was worried that the movie was going to have a corny/cheesy feel but this is really good tone wise and I like that they went right in to the whole hacking thing and how horrific and bad it can be.

https://youtu.be/IgKGww6sGaI

New clip - damn this movie looks good. Visualizations for the cyber space bits are spot on.

Just came from an early screening of the film. I thought it was good, but I was also disappointed with the way they handled a certain character.
Visually the film is pretty close to the original, you can expect to see your favorite scenes from the first GiTS reproduced in live action, but they are enveloped by a different plot, a safer plot, more palatable to general audiences. This new plot, despite being inferior to the original, is actually decent, except for the antagonist. The Puppet Master was turned into such a boring cliche that the final portion of the movie ended up being way less interesting than the 1995 anime.

So, basically the movie is exactly what the trailer showed, a retelling of GiTS that looks a lot like the original but with a simplified story to please the masses. This doesn't mean it's bad, but it's hard not to feel a bit let down if you're a fan of the original.

So exactly what we should have expected? I'm okay with that.

Normies can't handle too much philosophy with their action. If it was faithful to the original it would be basically matrix 2: everyone is voiced by the architect edition.

NemZ wrote:Normies can't handle too much philosophy with their action.

Eh, it's less that most people can't do large doses of philosophy (which the original movie only has handfuls of anyway) and more that the 95 movie is just so slow. As artful and beautifully depicted as it is, most people would fall asleep to the drawn out shots of the city and the long, ambient pauses. Which are some of my favorite parts.

Most people would probably be mentally thrown out of the movie if they opened it the same way too. Like, The Major swoops down out of nowhere after the police come in and arrest these guys, or try to, but they have diplomatic immunity and some other political babble, so you're not really sure who's wrong or why it matters. Then Major blow this guy's head off and disappears. Then we're told she's a good guy and Section 9 regularly assassinates foreign dignitaries. What.

NemZ wrote:Normies can't handle too much philosophy with their action. If it was faithful to the original it would be basically matrix 2: everyone is voiced by the architect edition.

But isn't that decision, made both by the artists and the audience, also based on their philosophy towards media?

Probably has more to do with market studies and general contempt for book learnin'.

Some shops here are selling cheap copies of the Oshii Ghost in the Shell film as a tie-in with the release of the Hollywood version. It's a shame that they're using the 2008 CGI version rather than the original, though I'm not surprised by that.

pwhodges wrote:Some shops here are selling cheap copies of the Oshii Ghost in the Shell film as a tie-in with the release of the Hollywood version. It's a shame that they're using the 2008 CGI version rather than the original, though I'm not surprised by that.

Probably for the plebs here