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Postby DarkBluePhoenix » Sun Aug 07, 2016 2:35 pm

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CommanderFish wrote:Wait, wouldn't actual sexual abuse be much worse than what Shinji did? I mean, don't get me wrong, what Shinji did was disgusting, (albeit genius from a character perspective, but I digress), but rape is... well it's rape. You can't really equate that to much else.

Now, in my view anyway, seeing as I wasn't clear when I posted before, I view all sexual abuse, no matter what it is, as reprehensible. When you get into saying that this isn't as bad as that it starts to get messy, all sexual abuse is horrible, even if its a drunken mistake or a deliberate act, or a desperate and broken boy's attempt to connect with the girl he covets/loves. That's my view anyway.

I also never mentioned that I did feel sorry for her for being used by Gendo (like her mother) and for how he sent her to SEELE as a piece of meat. I'm not a heartless monster, I just don't feel her good qualities outweigh all the stuff she's done in furthering SEELE's or Gendo's plans for instrumentality. And I think Reichu summed it up best:
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Postby silvermoonlight » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:46 am

View Original PostDarkBluePhoenix wrote:In essence I disliked her at the beginning, and held out a bit of hope, but as the show went on, she became even more of a dislikeable person, and so, every time I hear her talk in the anime or movies, I tune her out and roll my eyes. I know there are other aspects to her character, like her being sexually abused by SEELE, which is as reprehensible as what Shinji did to Asuka in EoE, but the other aspects of her character, don't make up for her bad qualities, even if she is only living in her mother's shadow.


I agree with a lot of this and I think though its never fully shown Ritsuko is one of these people who was probably very kind hearted once up on a time but over the years she's become deeply ground down by the Nerv system itself and the bad things that have happened to her but rather than rise above Gendo's crap she just gets in deeper and becomes the villain like he is. Also and I know this might be a miner detail but I don't like her coldness towards life in that she says coldly to her grandma in one scene to put her sick cat down yeah I get where she's coming from but its the tone and the way she says it and people in general like there animals and find it hard to put them down.

Also I found the killing of the Rei's in the tank spiteful and horrible and she claims there not alive and they don't feel yet in the manga they all look at her when she put's her hand on the kill switch as if they know there going die and there afraid. Don't get me wrong I hate what Seele did to her and I hate that its in both the anime and manga, because I always felt it was a awful plot device and I hate that female characters are normally on the receiving end of that kind of thing but this I feel is an issue with the writers not so much the character and is best suited to another thread.
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Postby Dildry » Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:14 pm

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Postby StrokeMeGoat » Mon Nov 07, 2016 3:31 pm

View Original PostMr. Tines wrote:@Iuvenal
Fapping with your off-hand is a thing? Sounds crazy to me.

I thought his statement was strange too; I know for sure using the off-hand is a thing for some (heh), but I'm fairly certain it's quite common for people to use their "strong" hand over the off-hand.

For me it's definitely EoE Shinji. Other than jerking off over a comatose girl, it really made no sense to me why he didn't stop making Misato pull him around when he heard that Unit-02 activated and Asuka was okay, even if he was still really depressed and fucked up.

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Postby The Cruel » Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:25 pm

The unnecesseary quarrel between Shinji and Asuka during the fight with Leliel. That wasn't the right time to snner at your mate just because he outdone you in a test. This compromised them almost.

Shinji running away after the incident in Matsushiro. It was bad timing for this when Zeruel was comming and your mates were totaly about to get finished by him. And he could've come by to Toji or in Rebuilds case to Asuka to make up for what happened to them. They would've been glad to see him again despite what horror they faced.

Asuka in her fight with Arael. She just wasn't ready for this considering what happened to her before and she put herself in danger.

The kitchen scene in EoE. For this being the key moment between Shinji and Asuka that caused Third Impact.

And any moment between Shinji, Misato and Asuka in 3.0. What's going on between them leads to nothing.
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Postby IAmBestGirl » Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:07 pm

View Original PostIuvenal wrote:I would have to say the hospital scene. For one thing, ol' Shin-man only lasted about fifteen seconds based on the timestamps in VLC, which is pathetic even for a fourteen year old.


I mean like I can't speak for guys but I lasted even less than that at 14 years old. I'd say that "Shin-man" is doing pretty good for his age.
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Postby DarkBluePhoenix » Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:55 pm

IAmBestGirl wrote:I mean like I can't speak for guys but I lasted even less than that at 14 years old. I'd say that "Shin-man" is doing pretty good for his age.

As horrendous as the hospital scene is, at least we the viewers only had to suffer that for 15 seconds. But in reality, at that age, it should have lasted longer, maybe by about a minute more at the very least... but still... small victories there we didn't suffer further... and maybe Anno was making another small dig at otakus with that scene as well.
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Postby pwhodges » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:03 pm

Or more likely he simply saw no need to depict it in any specific real time. What he did was made clear, the film moved on.
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Postby DarkBluePhoenix » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:08 pm

pwhodges wrote:Or more likely he simply saw no need to depict it in any specific real time. What he did was made clear, the film moved on.

Yeah, sorry, should have made that point you made more clear in my post.
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Postby lily liver » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:58 pm

View Original PostIAmBestGirl wrote:I mean like I can't speak for guys but I lasted even less than that at 14 years old. I'd say that "Shin-man" is doing pretty good for his age.


consider that he was 14 years old (still going through puberty), definitely still a virgin, has had practically no sexual experiences with anyone ever, aside from touching reis' boob, probably had very limited access to porn (and as a result hasn't been desensitized like people in the real world), and was looming over the naked body of the girl he was infatuated with and was the frequent subject of his sexual fantasies.

there is a world of difference between this situation, and a grown adult "getting the urge" for lack of a better term, opening a browser tab, and thinking to themselves "lets get this over with so i can do something else", and proceeding to do what could only be described as a chore.

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Postby C.T.1290 » Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:10 pm

I would say Gendo and Asuka throughout the series and Rebuild films. Gendo for being a cold heartless bastard he is and for everything he put Shinji and the others through, and for what!? Just to see his wife again!? That is not something Yui would want.
And Asuka, she's been nothing but a rude, selfish, and egotistical bitch who has no sense of honor or respect for other people. She's​ always so rude to Shinji, and possibly other people. It's no wonder that nobody likes her, she's the least deserving of respect or sympathy, but no worse than Gendo. She's the sort of character who should be put in her place with a slap across the face or some form of a smackdown. And Shikinami is no different nor better than Soryu.
And there's Misato for not being supportive enough of Shinji, and doesn't give Asuka some reprimanding for mistreating him. And she's even worse in A, giving Shinji the cold shoulder and treated him like crap, AND there's the time she tried to blow his head off! After what happened to Kaworu, is that something Misato wanted​ to do to Shinji!? And Asuka would just stand there and watch as Shinji gets his head blown off, or go through some horrible fate as she and Misato both say "good riddance"!?
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Postby Cybermat47 » Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:16 pm

View Original PostC.T.1290 wrote:I would say Gendo and Asuka throughout the series and Rebuild films. Gendo for being a cold heartless bastard he is and for everything he put Shinji and the others through, and for what!? Just to see his wife again!? That is not something Yui would want.


Yep, it's ironic how his love of Yui causes so much pain for everyone else, including her son.


And Asuka, she's been nothing but a rude, selfish, and egotistical bitch who has no sense of honor or respect for other people. She's​ always so rude to Shinji, and possibly other people. It's no wonder that nobody likes her, she's the least deserving of respect or sympathy, but no worse than Gendo. She's the sort of character who should be put in her place with a slap across the face or some form of a smackdown. And Shikinami is no different nor better than Soryu.


Asuka suffers from numerous mental disorders, but both Soryu and Shikinami have still been shown to have a softer side.

Soryu voluntarily took the most dangerous and least active role in her own plan to defeat Matarael, and Shikinami volunteered to be the test pilot for 03 so that Rei's dinner party could go ahead. Both acts put herself in danger for the sake of Shinji and Rei. In those cases, she was, if not kind, at least honourable.

And there's Misato for not being supportive enough of Shinji, and doesn't give Asuka some reprimanding for mistreating him. And she's even worse in A, giving Shinji the cold shoulder and treated him like crap, AND there's the time she tried to blow his head off! After what happened to Kaworu, is that something Misato wanted​ to do to Shinji!? And Asuka would just stand there and watch as Shinji gets his head blown off, or go through some horrible fate as she and Misato both say "good riddance"!?


Misato probably views their bickering as being good character building for Shinji - wether he likes it or not, he's fighting in the frontlines of a war, and he needs to toughen up.

As for their treatment of Shinji in 3.0, they've been living in a hell that he unwittingly created for 14 years - a third of Misato's life, and half of Asuka's. You can hardly expect them to be completely fine with Shinji, especially considering that he might trigger another impact. They should have treated Shinji better, of course, so he wouldn't have a reason to escape with Rei Q, but their behaviour was understandable.

As for Misato wanting to kill Shinji - no. The fact that she hesitated for too long when Shinji escaped proves that. Rather, she believes that she has to kill Shinji if he comes close to triggering another impact.
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View Original PostCybermat47 wrote:Asuka suffers from numerous mental disorders, but both Soryu and Shikinami have still been shown to have a softer side.

Soryu voluntarily took the most dangerous and least active role in her own plan to defeat Matarael, and Shikinami volunteered to be the test pilot for 03 so that Rei's dinner party could go ahead. Both acts put herself in danger for the sake of Shinji and Rei. In those cases, she was, if not kind, at least honourable.

Yes, but then she said she was getting back at Shinji for saving her from the volcano, so she probably wasn't grateful for that, since she sees being saved by someone she considers lower than her to be a sign of weakness, which she won't have.
As for Shikinami piloting in Rei's place, I think it's just Asuka trying to hog all the glory for herself to feed her inflated ego, like she always has, and not out of obligation.
So I think she just has some ulterior motives on both parts. Because Asuka being "kind" to others would be out of her character, as kindness is not in her dictionary.
As for her mental issues, is that really an excuse? Or is that just how she is?

As for their treatment of Shinji in 3.0, they've been living in a hell that he unwittingly created for 14 years - a third of Misato's life, and half of Asuka's. You can hardly expect them to be completely fine with Shinji, especially considering that he might trigger another impact. They should have treated Shinji better, of course, so he wouldn't have a reason to escape with Rei Q, but their behaviour was understandable.

As for Misato wanting to kill Shinji - no. The fact that she hesitated for too long when Shinji escaped proves that. Rather, she believes that she has to kill Shinji if he comes close to triggering another impact.

They may be living in hell because of him, but still, I find their treatment towards him to be inexcusable.
And as for Misato thinking she has to kill Shinji, would she take pleasure in it? Maybe Asuka too? If that's so, then both of them are just as bad as Gendo is, if not worse.
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Postby pwhodges » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:01 am

View Original PostC.T.1290 wrote:So I think she just has some ulterior motives on both parts.

Sure; we all have ulterior motives for much of what we do. But ulterior motives don't erase all other considerations - that's only happening in your mind.

They may be living in hell because of him, but still, I find their treatment towards him to be inexcusable.

They are living in it, not observing from their armchair as we are. They do actually try to be fair - they don't kill him immediately, and they start trying to explain. That they don't handle the situation perfectly is down to their actual situation (they are attacked as they start to talk to him), and probably to their inexperience of being "nice" given that they've clearly had few opportunities to practise for over a decade.

And as for Misato thinking she has to kill Shinji, would she take pleasure in it? Maybe Asuka too?

We are shown, twice that Misato wouldn't. Don't deny what the film shows us to suit your agenda. Asuka too is shown saving Shinji at the end; one can postulate ulterior motives, say, to prevent Nerv getting hold of him again - but killing him would do the same even more effectively, and she chooses not to do that.

If that's so, then both of them are just as bad as Gendo is, if not worse.

Isn't your insistence on interpreting the narrative to demonise Asuka also a bit Gendou-like, don't you think?
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Postby Cybermat47 » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:26 am

View Original PostC.T.1290 wrote:Yes, but then she said she was getting back at Shinji for saving her from the volcano, so she probably wasn't grateful for that, since she sees being saved by someone she considers lower than her to be a sign of weakness, which she won't have.


Surely eliminating her debt to Shinji would be a matter of honour, though? If she had no honour, she would have gladly let Shinji take the defence position.

And, of course, that's simply how she justifies her sacrifice to Rei and Shinji, and we know that Asuka always puts on a show of being superior to everyone.

As for Shikinami piloting in Rei's place, I think it's just Asuka trying to hog all the glory for herself to feed her inflated ego, like she always has, and not out of obligation.


Perhaps, but before she enters 03, Asuka talks about how she's discovered that she actually appreciates being around Shinji and the others, so I would say that she does have positive feelings towards them - even if she won't admit it to herself.

Because Asuka being "kind" to others would be out of her character, as kindness is not in her dictionary.


Only if you attribute her acts of kindness to selfish motivations. And it could be argued that everyone's kindness has a basis in selfishness - they kind person wants people to like them.

As for her mental issues, is that really an excuse? Or is that just how she is?


An excuse? No. But it helps us understand her more - and, if people in-universe knew about her disorders, and helped her, perhaps her attitude would improve.

They may be living in hell because of him, but still, I find their treatment towards him to be inexcusable.


Inexcusable things are normal in hell.

Besides, Shinji seems to have no issue with their treatment of him after Kaworu tells him the truth.

And as for Misato thinking she has to kill Shinji, would she take pleasure in it? Maybe Asuka too? If that's so, then both of them are just as bad as Gendo is, if not worse.


No. Both Asuka and Misato are given the perfect opportunity and perfect justification to kill Shinji, and both of them choose to spare him - and, in Misato's case, she made all life on Earth at risk by sparing him. These aren't the actions of people who would enjoy killing him.
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Postby Cybermat47 » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:55 am

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SEELE: People aren't orange juice. This should be obvious.

Gendo: If your wife wanted to see you again, she would've gotten out of the fucking robot. Speaking of fucking, did you fuck Rei? That's just weird, mate.

Fuyutsuki: If your crush wanted to see you again, she would've gotten out of the fucking robot.

Ritsuko: You should know that not just anyone can pilot the Evas, so perhaps you should actually take care of the pilots a bit more? Also, why are you fucking the guy who fucked your Mother, then discarded her?

Misato: Don't fuck the children you look after. Parenting 101.

Shinji: Don't jack off to comatose people. Come on man. Also, it' obvious you have a thing for Asuka, so do something about that.

Asuka: You don't have to be rude to be strong. Haven't you learned anything from Kaji? Also, it's obvious you have a thing for Shinji, so do something about that.

Kensuke: If you're such a military buff, how come you don't know anything about combat trauma? Would you be upset if you didn't get to go to Stalingrad, too?

Rebuild of Evangelion

Gendo: Holy shit, get over it already.

Fuyutsuki: Holy shit, get over it already.

Shinji: Just fucking kiss Rei already.

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Postby Reichu » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:53 am

View Original PostCybermat47 wrote:SEELE: People aren't orange juice. This should be obvious.

Seele actually think the orange juice is an unnecessary byproduct -- the part of people that's meant to be discarded -- so your quip doesn't quite work.

the fucking robot.

What robot, where?

Don't jack off to comatose people.

For a "comatose" person, Asuka recovered suspiciously fast after her medications were revoked... Could it be that she was never "comatose"?

Shinji: Just fucking kiss Rei already.

Rei: Just fucking kiss Shinji already.

Are you suggesting that Shinji should kiss Eva-01?
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Postby Cybermat47 » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:33 pm

View Original PostReichu wrote:Seele actually think the orange juice is an unnecessary byproduct -- the part of people that's meant to be discarded -- so your quip doesn't quite work.


Actually... you see... yeah, you're right.

What robot, where?


http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/get-in-the-fucking-robot-shinji

For a "comatose" person, Asuka recovered suspiciously fast after her medications were revoked... Could it be that she was never "comatose"?


Well, that makes things worse.

Are you suggesting that Shinji should kiss Eva-01?


I was thinking more after the de-orangification of Rei. It would just be awkward otherwise.
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Postby The Flying Fortress » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:01 pm

Episode 19 is a bit frustrating if you're the type for Shinji to hit Zeruel and end up as the hero of the day, I mean, I know this is just a Shounen stereotype, but in my mind I needed an episode where Shinji saves All of eminent death against a difficult adversary, who better than Zeruel? , Unfortunately the battery ends and we see a forced show of EVA-01 walking like a gorilla and eating an angel >_>

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Re: at which point were you most angry/frustrated/disappointed with a character

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Postby Settie » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:47 pm

For me its NTE Kaworu, it's hard for me to tell if he's suppose to be a good guy type character or not. He offers happiness to Shinji and presents himself as his friend, but there's creepy underhanded manipulative undertones to his interactions with Shinji that makes me doubt if he truly cares about him and is not just some selfish self anointed purpose, that only he can bring him happiness regardless of its cost and consequence to everything else. It's a shame cause i really like NGE Kaworu.


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