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Postby Director Black » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:37 pm

Meh. I understand why people want this ship. He is the only who treated Shinji with any kind of respect, but then again, he was never going to survive either way.
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Postby Reichu » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:54 pm

Withholding critical information and coercing someone to do something that will do result in long-lasting psychological trauma are odd ways of showing respect...

Go kill yourself, Kaworu. Sachiel could suicide, so you've got zero excuse.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:41 am

View Original PostSachi wrote:While red on white is a nice combination, I've never understood Asuka/Kaworu, since they literally never interact with each other in the series. The strongest connection they share is Unit-02.

Asuka did battle with Kaworu's Dummy Plugs in EoE, so there's a tad more of a connection there than many realize. (None of them are friendly, though.)
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Postby Bagheera » Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:01 am

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:Asuka did battle with Kaworu's Dummy Plugs in EoE, so there's a tad more of a connection there than many realize. (None of them are friendly, though.)


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Postby Sachi » Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:27 am

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:Asuka did battle with Kaworu's Dummy Plugs in EoE, so there's a tad more of a connection there than many realize. (None of them are friendly, though.)

Mentioning that just brings up rape imagery for me, and that is especially not serviceable. Who the hell ships this again?
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Postby Reichu » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:34 pm

Eva Monkey, for one... :3
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:38 pm

EvaMonkey is into some weird things, then.

View Original PostBagheera wrote:Love is destructive . . .

I guess so :lol:
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Postby Berserkelion » Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:15 pm

View Original Postrobersora wrote:Tumblr is a haven of adolescent irrationality. Not that that's a bad thing, everybody goes through that phase, and I think it's great those kids have a place to live out those hormonally driven urges somewhat publicly without the need to bother people in the real world.
But to everybody at full thinking capability and the attention span to actually pay attention to what the show says, it's abundantly clear, that Kaworu could be the worst thing to happen to Shinji, and the only sensible ship's AsuShin.

(I'm not an English native speaker, sorry for the grammar)
To judge persons basing your opinion on their age is quite horrible.

AsukaShin it's an horrible shipping (is "shipping" a correct term?). In their relationship there's not a real communication, Shinji strangles her many times during the series. Their relationship seems to be full of "adolescent irrationality" (?). According to Tsurumaki (see Red Cross Book), "Eva is a story of communication". I think, during the series, Shinji seems to communicate only with Kaworu and Rei (霊 means "spirit"). He seems to feel a sort of spiritual love for them, as their represents unconscious (Rei) and jungian shadow (Kaworu) (see Anno interviews).

Anyway, ShinjixKaworu it's my favourite Eva-related ship/couple. IIRC, Anno said to June magazine that Kaworu it's a kind of "idealized" Shinji (http://web.archive.org/web/201407230618 ... -available). If I'm not mistaken there's a kiss between them in the (un?)famous first draft of "Saigo no shisha". I think Kaworu perfectly understands Shinji and his personal feelings; not surprisingly, Kaworu is described as "the first person to whom Shinji ever opened his heart" (Death & Rebirth special program book). Not the first person that he wants (I mean, physically, like in Asuka' case), but the first individual that he loves in the deeper sense of this term. Yeah, their relationship isn't a "mutual comprehension"; Kaworu perfectly understands Shinji, while Shinji doesn't understands Kaworu at all.
It seems perfectly legit for me to say that Shinji falls in love with Kaworu, but idk if Kaworu falls in love with Shinji, but he said:
"ありがとう。君に逢えて嬉しかったよ。"Thank you. I am glad to have met you." (http://www.animanga.com/scripts/textesgb/eva24.html translate this as "I am glad to see you")
But this, of course, doesn't confirm anything.

Plase note: in 庵野秀明パラノ・エヴァンゲリオン, "Anno hideaki Parano Evangerion", p. 107, clearly states:
シンジにとっては初めての心を許せる友人であり, 同性愛的な恋愛対象でもあった。 "To Shinji, [Kaworu] was both the very first friend he could confide in as well as a same-sex romantic interest" (http://66.media.tumblr.com/7ce0856b2e10 ... r7bkqo.jpg for scan)

So, yeah, I think for the first time in his life Shinji perfectly and sincerely communicate with a person (ironically, an Angel).
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Postby pwhodges » Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:30 pm

View Original PostBerserkelion wrote:There are no predetermined characteristics for the age.
A 34 year old man can have strong pulsions, and it's perfectly possible for a 17-year-old boy to have less "hormones crisis" that that 34-year-old man.

This is perfectly true; but simple observation will show you (or statistics if you want to be more precise) that there is a very strong tendency towards that particular stereotype, which is why it is so often used.
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Postby Berserkelion » Tue Jul 26, 2016 1:02 pm

View Original Postpwhodges wrote:This is perfectly true; but simple observation will show you (or statistics if you want to be more precise) that there is a very strong tendency towards that particular stereotype, which is why it is so often used.

Yeah, yeah, right. But consider that many people with "adolescent irrationality" ship AsukaShin too. Simply, it's a bad thing to "categorize" human behavior. Humans should try to understands other humans, not judge them basing on their age or something else. I think Kaworu himself thinks that way: love is this. He's the Angel of Jiyuu ishi" (自由意志), free will. I don't want to start an epistemological debate on this, but humans are not "determined" by any sort of scheme.
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Postby Xxx_Generic Name_Xxx » Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:26 am

View Original PostBerserkelion wrote:(I'm not an English native speaker, sorry for the grammar)
To judge persons basing your opinion on their age is quite horrible.

First, only teenagers have sexual "pulsions"? For me, it's quite uncorrect to say that all kawoshin fans are teenagers, and "full of hormones" (I'm using a common expression, not a your actual sentence).
Every teenager on earth has pulsions? (asexual teenager doesn't exist at all)

It is true that asexual people exist and not all kawoshin fans aren't teenagers,but,most of them are.You see,the majority of teens have a major hormone grow and they want more sex when they grow(especially for women) and they express that sexual desire by drawing anime characters that have their age''when their hearts become one''.
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Postby SawItAtAge10 » Sat Aug 06, 2016 12:13 am

I'm down for some K+S magic, but then again I have this sense of thinking of the Eva-verse kids as being older than they actually are (not sure if it's because of the mature subject matter, the voice actors, or the fact that the Eva pilots were literally older than me when I first watched NGE).

Anywho, I see it like a burning candle, it's sort of there, interesting to explore, but not meant to last.

By contrast AsukaxShinji has far more longevity due to:

Far more of Asuka earlier on in NGE

Or

The fact that it was the 2 of them at the very end.

So, I guess the main thing with Kaworu x Shinji is its own limited nature and delving any deeper kind of distorts what NGE is (and by extension, what it isn't).

All that considered, I saw a some oddly interesting (not explicitly pornographic in nature) stories about them within that limited window. One that sticks out is one where Shinji is depressed and cutting himself and Kaworu cuddles with him and comforts him (granted, I read a few back to back in one night, I might be getting things mixed up...)

I wonder though are there any Shinji x Kaworu stories taking place in an ordinary version of the NGE-verse leading up to ep. 23 or 24's plot with the major exception being that Nagisa turns out to be human, thus giving some justification to continue existing in the story?

If not, then someone should most certainly write it! :D
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Postby Reichu » Sat Aug 06, 2016 1:25 am

Kaworu did turn out to be human, didn't you watch the beginning of episode 25? ;)

I despise Shinji/Kaworu because of how ridiculously unequal it is. People think adolescents getting involved with adults is squicky and a lot of that has to do with the power imbalance. Kaworu is a 4+ billion year old space god squished into a teen-looking body. Maybe he doesn't remember everything about his previous life, but whatever awareness IS there puts him on a completely different level of existence from everybody aside from post-getting-her-shit-together Rei, and Yui too I guess. Plus as we saw, Kaworu willfully fucked up Shinji more than he already was; being emotionally entangled with someone who leaves you worse off is not healthy.
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