Eliaskar wrote:I think its less important to focus on the world ending aspect, and more to just in general think of it as an analogy of a mistake and wrong of which the character wishes to make up for, being forgiven and move forward in life. That's how I see it at least.
You can't move forward from ending the world. For causing a mistake that ruined the planet, even if it was a mistake. People died, a lot of people died, and because of his actions in 3.33 a lot more people are going to die. If you were responsible for that? Do you honestly think anyone would treat you like a human being? Do you think you'd deserve to be treated like a human being after that?
The theme people say the story has, conflicts with the horrible reality a single person actually being responsible for ending the world would actually entail. Namely that nobody, would even give the kid a chance of being forgiven after being partially to wholly responsible for murdering the entire population of Japan and possibly a much larger portion of the world.
I don't understand how you both expected to get more of the same from 3.33 even though you also expected it to be depressing? It's not like 2.22 ended on a happy note.
Well I watched the first two movies and then the series and then I waited, and lurked this forum for about a year before 3.33 came out. Then when I saw everyone ranting about how they hated the movie how depressing it was etc. I decided to join in on the conversation. I waited for a while, but then I actually watched it. and it was as depressing as everyone said it was.
I was holding out hope that it was overblown, but it wasn't it simply wasn't and aside from being unnecessarily grim and depressing. It pretty much committed narrative suicide, and the setup it's left us with for the finale isn't leaving me too confident for anything but more tragedy.
Sure it’s typical for a movie franchise to leave loose ends for the rest of the films to tie down, but I argue that this is just far too much to answer at this point. Do I think 4.0 will blow me away? Probably not. There’s a lot of ground to cover. For 4.0 to be a success, it needs to answer all of the questions and progress the plot and end it. The only way I can see it doing this though is to backpedal like crazy with so much exposition it’d be insane and then leave us hanging with an unsatisfying ending that would otherwise be rushed. (Ray: A lot like EOE am I right?)
We must also consider 3.0, which brought up so many more questions involving the nature of angels, impacts, spears, resources, back-stories, characters etc. For example, what is the nature of the Impact Shinji caused by pulling the spears? If it was a normal impact he could have just wished for everything to return to the way it was before, which is what I THOUGHT the entire goal was about. But Kaworu’s like (bad dub voice) , "no Shinji, is bad." But why is it any different?
We just saw two movies that refused to acknowledge Mari in any significant way on top of lacking any sort of symbolism to allude to complex solutions. In fact, 3.0 wasn’t even an important part of the plot. . . .Mari's probably not going to be developed in 4.0. She magically disappeared at the end of 3.0 anyway. It's very unlikely with just how many questions we have, plus we need to know her backstory, her purpose, why she knows so much in 3.0 about Seele and the nature of "ADAMS", and does everyone realize how much exposition this would need? She hasn't had any meaningful interactions, any meaningful actions in general that couldn’t have been done by using another cast member, nor any redeeming flaws or characterization.
Not to mention Sakura, who probably SHOULD be developed in 4.0. She has potential, she wasn’t just thrown in out of nowhere, but she most likely won’t be given any time just because of how many other characters they introduced and plot elements they have to explain.
Why do you think this?
Because. . . every time it seems like the story is going to give Shinji a chance to prove to the world he's not worthless, the universe conspires to emasculate him for it. Literally every choice he makes is a bad one, and ends with him being blamed, and the few times the choices he makes are good ones, eventually the world conspires to even take that away from him. and everything good he's done is eclipsed by the sheer extreme consequences of his actions.
and Shinji IS meant to be an expy for the audience, so whenever something happens to him, it can and should be taken as an implicit if not outright criticism of the audience. The audience would like to believe we'd be heroes if we piloted a giant robot, but in reality we'd probably break down just like Shinji. We'd like to believe we'd save the world, but in reality we'd probably f*ck it up even worse like Shinji did. We'd like to think we'd save the girl from the monster, but in reality she'd probably die or abandon you because of it.
But anyways, that's enough from me, I think I'll comment further on another thread
I always feel like it should be fullscreen, since IMAX scenes in films take up the whole screen. It just always looks nicer.
