The horses are bad enough on their own but once you've made the mental connection to Anchorman you can never go back.

Ray wrote:During the screening of Q they showed at comic con, given how grim the rest of the film was, the audience burst out laughing at how "Homo" Kaworu was acting towards Shinji.

I was in the audience during ny con. I though they where extremely rude and inappropriate overall and not just about the Kawuro parts although they where especially obnoxious during that part. I felt bad for any gay kid in the audience since it was probably awkward or offensive. A lot of them where teens though so I guess it's expected. People where pretty rude during an Avatar the legend of Korra panel where the creators where trying to say that Korra would be their last show. I've kinda come to just expect that a lot of the people to come see anime panels just don't mind being rude and end up being shit audiences.

pwhodges wrote:Was anything like that reported in Japan? Well then, all it tells us is something about Western otakus.

I watched Eva Q in a cinema in Tokyo. People were extremely silent during the movie, though I saw at least 5 people leaving the cinema during the Wunder sequence. After Next Time Preview the lights went on, and some people behind me screamed "Nani kore?!" "What was that?!" And then some people laughed before leaving the cinema in a silent manner. People looked pretty bewildered and in deep thought after it.

It's probably just us yanks laughing at/worshiping Kaowru.

robersora wrote:People were extremely silent during the movie, though I saw at least 5 people leaving the cinema during the Wunder sequence...

Wow. That is just awesome. I wish I'd had the presence of mind to pull the ripcord and bail out at that point.

What a shame. It was one of my favorite scenes

Arcadia's legacy wrote:What a shame. It was one of my favorite scenes

The cgi wunder scene? Well tbh I do not blame them, this is why cgi in anime is bad, it looks cringey and there you have the result. Only forgiving people can get over it.

As for the Kaworu playing piano scene well tbh I dont blame them for laughing. It reminded me of the Kanye west videos parody in south park and when I saw it I was like "oh my god, this cant be happening" Too much cringey stuff for me even tought I am quite forgiving about stuff.

This is was to be expected, I mean to be honest the Yaoi stuff it's not exactly liked outside of the Japanese fangirl/otaku/gay market but dont let that stop you from enjoying it.
What I dont like it's how they use this phase - about a teenage boy going throught hormonal development, filled with traumas and countless kinds of problems and getting bicurious ideas or feelings that could even be interpeted as pure state frienship - being used as a matter of celebration for gay stuff while I find it concerned about him is going throught all of that stuff while being in such lonley spot.
I know Yaoi fangirls love it and it's probably something that perhaps Anno wanted to put this there "just as he did in NGE" to express what felt throught his mancrush phase but to me it's too silly and almost comical for this specific thing on EVA to be taken THAT seriously.

Now in the USA and maybe Canada people have developed a culture of forced PC which literally condems anyone who doesnt like or accept that kind of stuff. But in other parts of the world people just dont care about PC and they will still make fun of gay stuff because it is something natural in the human genome, even tought the decisions of the individuals are to be respected.

robersora wrote: People looked pretty bewildered and in deep thought after it.

So you live in Tokyo or where you just visiting?
Hmm, why do you think that happen?

Shark Knight wrote:this is why cgi in anime is bad, it looks cringey

If you want it to be something different; but it ain't; it's not trying to be the same as 2-D animation. There are always people who don't want to accept change even when it's actually development; Mozart's father wrote to him after receiving one of his symphonies: "I think there must be some mistakes in the copy you sent me".

and there you have the result. Only forgiving people can get over it.

In other words, almost everyone (on the basis of five people leaving a full theatre).

But in other parts of the world people just dont care about PC

You think? That's not how it looks to me in another part of the world.

and they will still make fun of gay stuff

Some people will make fun of anything outside their comfort zone (whatever that might be); doesn't necessarily mean it's a nice thing to do, though.

because it is something natural in the human genome,

In some places it seems that killing those whom you disagree with is natural too; but civilisation means getting past such instincts and refining our interactions a bit.

Shark Knight wrote:this is why cgi in anime is bad

If it was, why would i (and many others like me) be praising it when done well?

Shark Knight wrote:So you live in Tokyo or where you just visiting?

Just visiting.

I don't know, if they left because of the CGI, or because it's just a lot of information to take in. The audience looked pretty normally dressed (speaking in Tokyo-terms; e.g. very stylishly put together). The guys who left, on the other hand, looked like stereotypical hard-core Otaku (sloppily dressed).

The whole experience felt like a haze to me too. I was pretty sleep deprived.

Additionally I'd like to add that I strongly disagree with your assessment of my sexuality. It has not been a choice of mine to be gay - it's something I've struggled with for many years and is still difficult for me sometimes to this day. I would greatly appreciate if you overthought your stance that it has been a choice.

Arcadia's legacy wrote:If it was, why would i (and many others like me) be praising it when done well?

Well you said it yourself, because they are like you?
You seem to be forgetting there many, many, many people out there that think differently, mine included among a bunch of others. Some people dont mind it at all but for me it is a sign of cheapness and lazyness rather than style. But if you like it or found it awe then good for you, really.

pwhodges wrote:If you want it to be something different; but it ain't; it's not trying to be the same as 2-D animation. There are always people who don't want to accept change even when it's actually development; Mozart's father wrote to him after receiving one of his symphonies: "I think there must be some mistakes in the copy you sent me".

It's not really about change, if you want to talk about change in animation how about the fact that they now do it without papers and with more advanced technology?
People have done the cross dimensional aesthetic before and it has always looked cartoonish. "Walt disney did it in Mary Poppin's and spielberg with roger rabbit" they look like stickers from another dimension. CGI works in 3d - real life movies - because they are 3d objects! and they move within a 3d enviorment!
However when 2d enters on 3d you basically have objects of a different dimension existing within a 2d plane, the movement looks blocky and simply doesnt look right because real movement "what we percieve as normal which is 3d objects" simply moves different.

In other words, almost everyone (on the basis of five people leaving a full theatre).

How do you know there wherent other people there that didnt like the cgi but wherent as drastic to leave the theater? Look just because a scene is wonky dont mean I am gonna leave the theater or stop watching the movie. But only cause I watched it dont mean I liked everything on it.

You think? That's not how it looks to me in another part of the world.

So are you a pc guy huh? well care to share where exactly? Then again you talk in absolutes.

Some people will make fun of anything outside their comfort zone (whatever that might be); doesn't necessarily mean it's a nice thing to do, though.

No, it isnt nice at all really, But regardless of it being gay or not if people find something cringy or funny they are gong to laugh. You cant stop that or just make something of that nature and expect people to soak it up.

In some places it seems that killing those whom you disagree with is natural too; but civilisation means getting past such instincts and refining our interactions a bit.

I think you are exaggerating here a bit, the way you express it is like a different side of the same coin.

robersora wrote:Just visiting.
Additionally I'd like to add that I strongly disagree with your assessment of my sexuality. It has not been a choice of mine to be gay - it's something I've struggled with for many years and is still difficult for me sometimes to this day. I would greatly appreciate if you overthought your stance that it has been a choice.

I think you are misdjudging me here on my assestment. I condemn no one for being gay and that is no joke at all, if you presume I would make fun or lower someone because of being gay then I am authentically offended or would simply say "you dont know me at all"
What I find displeasing is how people celebrate such happening as the result of someone in distress and struggle

You think I dont know about all the BS struggles gay people have to go throught? Please, I presume you live in a 1st world with liberal way of thinking where you are accepted by society.
But where I live my friends didnt had that particular luxury "despite having a 1st world country as neighbor.
I wont go into personal details for them but I will share them with you on PM.
And yes I absolutely agree with you, it is not a choice, it is distressful and a struggle "specially if you dont go fuck it, I am gay so what?" So do not even assume that I am homophobic or that I do not understand about it because I probably know it better than most people "gallantly defending their pc shenanigans despite never actually seeing such things happening in front of them" And for the record, no I am not gay.

Shark Knight wrote:"Walt disney did it in Mary Poppin's and spielberg with roger rabbit" they look like stickers from another dimension. CGI works in 3d - real life movies - because they are 3d objects! and they move within a 3d enviorment!

Walt Disney also introduced the idea of putting animation cels on top of one another. This allowed for a greater sense of depth in the image, an "extra dimension" shall we say. Adding an actual 3D object does nothing more than add to this intention (when done right of course)

Arcadia's legacy wrote:Walt Disney also introduced the idea of putting animation cels on top of one another. This allowed for a greater sense of depth in the image, an "extra dimension" shall we say. Adding an actual 3D object does nothing more than add to this intention (when done right of course)

Yes it's true,he did that BUT using 2d objects within multiple 2d planes which merged perfectly. Maybe 3d can work on animation but so far what I have seen and what happened in rebuild, it did not work. If it did for you then that's cool.

Not just me, but for the majority of its audience if reception is anything to go by

Arcadia's legacy wrote:Not just me, but for the majority of its audience if reception is anything to go by

They probably did not mind tought it wasnt enough of a big deal to make a fuss over it.
Bad special effects dont take away the enjoyment of a movie, if they do then it's because they take center spot on it or simply are too awful to be ignored.
The effects of this movie just happen to be like the 3d cgi cell shaded models of currently almost every other anime featuring such things out there, That is probably why you and many other people have gotten accostumed to it and therefore do not mind it, which is an interesting theory.

Shark Knight wrote:So are you a pc guy huh? well care to share where exactly?

Where? it says where I am under my avi.

Then again you talk in absolutes.

Not me; in fact, this seems more absolute:

if people find something cringy or funny they are gong to laugh. You cant stop that

Shark Knight wrote:The effects of this movie just happen to be like the 3d cgi cell shaded models of currently almost every other anime featuring such things out there, That is probably why you and many other people have gotten accostumed to it and therefore do not mind it, which is an interesting theory.

That speaks rather poorly of anime audiences in thinking that they don't seem to know what good animation even is

Arcadia's legacy wrote:That speaks rather poorly of anime audiences in thinking that they don't seem to know what good animation even is

Well it's just a theory, anime has been regularly incorporated with cgi for almost 2 decades already - mostly tv broadcasting because it saved budget - that people already got used to it.
Anime audiences know what good 2d animation is because that is what Anime is supposed to be, but when it comes to 3d well like I said, they already got used to its blocky animation.

pwhodges wrote:Where? it says where I am under my avi.

The mighty UK? ahh yes then again the UK has been extremely open and understanding about gay folk for decades, Which would explain your way of thinking on such matter, unfortunately not all countries have gone throught such reinassance "or so to speak" about the subject.

Not me; in fact, this seems more absolute:

Well so if you find something funny in the theater you dont laugh? You must have nerves of steel then.

Shark Knight wrote:Anime audiences know what good 2d animation is

And they can't know what good CG is?

For what it's worth, I don't hate the AAA Wunder because it was rendered in CG. In fact, I didn't really have any issues with most of Rebuild's CG visuals up until Q, since I found just about everything from the Eva's to the retractable buildings to the Ramiel sequence, to be, well, in a word: Badass

Most of the stuff in 3.33 on the other hand just looks rather silly to me. I think Khara could blow their entire budget on painstakingly reanimating either the Wunder or that Eva Shinji and Kaworu were piloting with all the little spinning anti-gravity defense drones in old school 2D, and I would probably still find them just as dumb-looking. To my eyes they just seem really out of place in this franchise.

I think one need look no further than Yamato 2199 to see some of the most beautiful examples of what CGI has achieved to date. Just one man's opinion.