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There's been some videogames for Evangelion now and then, so it might be a possibility. I wouldn't expect anything extraordinary, though.

FreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:and "Evangelion Shin." ()

I know, it's nitpicky, but it's actually Shin Evangelion (Gekijouban).

BrikHaus wrote:Western-thinking minds expect character development because it is so heavily ingrained in our literature and other forms of entertainment. Honestly, character development is important. Would you really expect someone to go through all the shit that happens in EVA and not change at all? They don't have to have a drastic personality shift, but they should certainly learn something or think about the world differently. If the character is such an utter rock that they do not develop at all, then what's the point of telling the story in the first place? Just to show off some cool monsters and shit? The Japanese may think differently on this topic than many Westerners do, and that's certainly fine. For me, though, I like character development. Could you imagine how less interesting Breaking Bad would have been if Walter White never became Heisenberg?

Well, Walter White becoming Heisenberg was the whole point of the show, everything else in that show is there to support his derailment. And of course I enjoyed it, because it was well done. Well done character development I really like. What I was alluding to, was rather the stance that character development has to happen, doesn't matter if it makes sense in the narrative or not. I'm against the notion that "no development = bad character writing".

robersora wrote:I'm against the notion that "no development = bad character writing".

Too right, man. Some of the better tales I've experienced feature characters that are stagnant, the point being that they can't change or progress no matter how much they grapple with it, which is a pretty profoundly human struggle. Which is also why it's nice to see characters grow and triumph over their shortcomings more often than not.

I saw 3.33 yesterday...I feel like it's the "Alien 3" ( my favorite in that series and a movie I adore simply because of its exquisitely dark, tragic, and nihilistic nature) of the Rebuild series. In essence, it very darkly and beautifully threw out, demolished, deconstructed, and utterly destroyed all of the pseudo-optimism of the previous film (much like Alien 3 did to Aliens to such an extent that it royally pissed off a faction of diehards who never forgave Fincher for that). As such, I love this movie. After 5 years of waiting, it was the other shoe that I've been waiting to drop much like it unexpectedly did when I first saw NGE back in 99. Lilith hunched over and impaled akin to Adam in Antarctica in the original series and amidst that sea of skulls was priceless. The most beautiful scene was when the three children were walking away at the end. It was that final semblance of balance, normalcy and release after all the confusion presented in the film. I agree the surrealism is on par with EoE and the nightmarish scenes of NGE. Here, they are just as wonderfully crafted as they have been in the past. However, there is still hope and this series is pushing forward more than ever to stop looking back and to let go. My verdict is that it is wonderful and just might be my favorite thus far simply because the complexity has been elevated far above what was present in the already exceptional first half of the rebuild series. Then stakes of devastation and destruction and the impact of it all (no pun intended) has never been greater, even when Tokyo 3 vanished and Kaworu appeared in the original NGE. As such, the despair is deeper here in my opinion. As an added bonus, I like that the interactions are minimalist in favor of building upon the apocalyptic atmosphere but that has more to do with my artistic tastes and sensibilities. I feel like this movie has opened my eyes or something in such a way that the original NGE (while always still being adored) has faded in such a way that it's as though it were a magnificent statue made of sand gracefully crumbling in to dust as it blows away into the wind.

The problem being that in Aliens the heroes had earned their happy ending, only to have it ripped away from them for no good reason in Alien 3, whereas in Ha we're told from the outset that the ending was not sound, leaving Q to pick up the ball and run with it. So in the one case we got an atrocity of a film by a director who shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near the franchise, while in the other we got the natural evolution of the events shown in the previous film.

IOW if Alien 3 had been somehow foreshadowed by Aliens you'd be making a valid point, but since it wasn't it kinda falls flat.

Oh man are trying to make me want to watch Alien 3

Is there a version of Alien 3 that David Fincher disowned slightly less than the regular version

I think it's called the "Industrial Cut" . Which is as close to Finchers original vision for the dolmas were going to get.

gatotsu911 wrote:Oh man are trying to make me want to watch Alien 3

It's a flawed piece of cinema, but an incredibly interesting one. You definitely should give it a watch and make up your own mind.

I mean, for the record, I like the first movie but I didn't much care for Aliens

Then again I don't much like James Cameron while I do very much like David Fincher so

ALIEN 3 is magical!

I approve of there being a comparison between Eva 3.33 and Alien 3.

Is it okay to call it Alienses

There are people out there that actually like Alien 3? I mean Q is understandable because it pulls the rug out from under you, but Alien 3's only real redeeming quality was that it was better than Resurrection.

TheFriskyIan wrote:There are people out there that actually like Alien 3? I mean Q is understandable because it pulls the rug out from under you, but Alien 3's only real redeeming quality was that it was better than Resurrection.

I like all the Alien films, personally. Some more than others certainly, but I appreciate what each one was trying to do. Resurrection is just ridiculous good.

What about AvP and AvP-R?

Arcadia's legacy wrote:What about AvP and AvP-R?

They're good for a laugh, and some base entertainment, i'll give them that. I enjoy them for what they are

I take it you're very flexible when it comes to enjoying film?

Arcadia's legacy wrote:I take it you're very flexible when it comes to enjoying film?

Don't get me wrong, i'll acknowledge good film making where it's due and I understand when one film is bad or worse than another, but unless I just can't get into it or it outright has no redeeming qualities, i'll try and enjoy it. But i'll critique a film all the same. I like a variety of films.

On topic.

My feelings have gone from hating it with a burning passion, to more or less accepting it for what it is. Not loving it, it's not my favorite (that's still 2.22, and I wish we could have had more of it). I've already stated my grievances with it, and all that's left is to wait for the Finale and hope that it's relatively merciful compared to the brutal punishment that was 3.33.

Eva is a series that doesn't just make you like it, but punishes you for liking it. Shinji is a metaphor for the audience in 3.33 in that regard.

Ray wrote:Eva is a series that doesn't just make you like it, but punishes you for liking it. Shinji is a metaphor for the audience in 3.33 in that regard.

Based on what everyone else here has said regarding this franchise, i'd say.........no to that

Arcadia's legacy wrote:Based on what everyone else here has said regarding this franchise, i'd say.........no to that

Agreed. I like it, and feel rewarded for it. It's all a matter of perspective.