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Re: Funny, evil thing... B/

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Postby Bagheera » Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:14 pm

View Original PostAlaska Slim wrote:Eh... actually, it's the name of a type of demon (just found this out myself):

http://www.deliriumsrealm.com/barbatos/


Huh. Well, alrighty then!

After mulling it over for a bit, I'm struck by what we haven't seen in IBO just yet. To date we have not seen:

  • Haro
  • Beam Sabers
  • Beam Rifles
  • Newtypes or their equivalent (there are the whiskers, but they're not the same thing IMO since pretty much anyone can get them if the survive the surgery)
  • Skilled enemy who wears a stupid goddamn mask

Also, the characters, at least in Tekkadan, do a pretty good job of standing out from the usual Gundam tropes. Mika in particular is interesting; he's clearly considerate of others' needs and feelings, but at the same time he has absolutely no problem with killing people in cold blood. This is to be expected of child soldiers, but it's handled really well in his case IMO.

Overall, I am really, really digging this so far. It's become my must watch show of the season.
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Postby Final Messenger » Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:59 pm

View Original PostBagheera wrote:Skilled enemy who wears a stupid goddamn mask

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I'm sure he'll wear one soon enough and go three times faster than the average mobile suit
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Postby cyharding » Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:49 pm

Yeah, Fareed is the closest we get to a Char-like character, but I love the fact that Mika refers to him as "the chocolate man." Pilot nicknames at their finest. :lol:
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Postby Stan » Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:27 pm

View Original Postcyharding wrote:ANN put out a guide to the Gundam franchise

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2015-10-21/mobile-suit-gundam-where-to-start-and-what-worth-watching/.94461

I wonder if this could bring up some interesting debate?


That whole article was click bait, also should have been called "my opinion on every gundam show" by: whoever wrote it


View Original Postcyharding wrote:Yeah, Fareed is the closest we get to a Char-like character, but I love the fact that Mika refers to him as "the chocolate man." Pilot nicknames at their finest. :lol:


Mika is great, good balance of likable personality and insane war orphan child soldier. The chocolate man will surely turn emo soon enough and become the most badass chocolate man in anime history.

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Postby Fireball » Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:26 pm

Watched Origin II

Jesus Christ, being Sayla is suffering
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Postby Stan » Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:43 pm

View Original PostFireball wrote:Watched Origin II

Jesus Christ, being Sayla is suffering


Yeah, hence the title of the episode! Did you like the emo Casval? I quite enjoyed the origin of his rebellious side :lol:

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Postby Fireball » Tue Nov 03, 2015 6:13 pm

I enjoy that they are elaborating on Char's past but the whole doppelganger thing is also the part that I dislike in Origin. It was pretty meta letting Toshihiko Seki voice the original Char who was Rau in SEED though.
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Postby cyharding » Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:18 pm

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Postby Bagheera » Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:23 am



Because child soldiers should be normal kids, amirite?

Mika disturbs me too, but he's a child soldier: He's fucking supposed to. If your jimmies aren't rustled while watching this show you're missing the goddamn point.
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Postby robersora » Wed Nov 11, 2015 7:40 am

After Reconcuista left me wondering, if I'd ever want to try another Gundam, I thought I'd try another stand alone series before I dive into the deep end. So I decided to try Turn A and I'm quite liking it. The design is even more beautiful and inspired than the design of G Reco (which was what drew me into Reco in the first place), the music is stunningly beautiful and the world and characters are very charming and intriguing. While the directing is... eclectic/eccentric, its weirdness is considerably toned down in comparison to G Reco. So yeah, I like what I see. I'm just at the very beginning, but I see myself enjoying this show.
After that, I'll try the Blood Orphans.

If I wanted to start with the timeline (UC, I think?) in which Origin, Unicorn, the original (the majority of Gundam, so to speak) is set, I figure it would be best to start with the original series. But there's also compilation movies, would those suffice?
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Postby Tankred » Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:10 am

Yes, the original compilation films will suffice, they're pretty good and cover most of the important parts of the original show, the third film in particular is a favourite.

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Postby cyharding » Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:01 pm

I agree. Personally, I prefer the movie trilogy to the TV series. It streamlines the story and removes the more cheesier elements of the story without removing anything important.
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Postby Alaska Slim » Thu Nov 12, 2015 1:59 am

View Original PostBagheera wrote:Because child soldiers should be normal kids, amirite?

The issue comes from how Gundam is nominally viewed as a kid's show, and that they even dropped it into Gundam AGE's old time slot.

5:00 P.M. on Sundays. Kind of a blindsiding.


Anyway, we have a key visual for Gundam Thunderbolt:

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Postby Bagheera » Thu Nov 12, 2015 4:35 am

View Original PostAlaska Slim wrote:The issue comes from how Gundam is nominally viewed as a kid's show, and that they even dropped it into Gundam AGE's old time slot.


It's never been a kid's show, though. Well, AGE might have been, I don't know, but traditionally Gundam's been a show for young adults.
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Postby KnightmareX13 » Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:02 pm

Teaser for Thunderbolt not really much but interesting choice in the music reminds me of akito the exiled

looks like crunchyroll is having some fun with Iron Blooded Orphans
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Re: Rather not. B/

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Postby Dima » Sat Nov 14, 2015 6:24 am

View Original PostAlaska Slim wrote:That isn't point at quality, that's a parameter: "write a story that fits x minutes instead of y".

To say anime with longer runtimes are somehow inherently *better* than those with shorter would completely ignore how entire genres make using short run times an art form.

Gundam Unicorn has a series runtime just short of a 22 episode anime. With some adjustments, it could very well have been adapted that way, or even shorter if need be.


Based on what? There's no reason to think you couldn't get the same plot points across in three ~22 minute segments vs one ~50 minute segment, which all but the final episode occupied.

Some events intra-episode would have to be switched around to prevent awkward cut offs (or not, even Gundam isn't a stranger to multiple-part stories), otherwise it works just fine.


Deflection; this has nothing to do with the point I was making here.

ZZ had the 50 episode template, and yet it clearly didn't need that many episodes, as it spent most of the first arc simply playing around. The introduction of the characters could have been far more truncated, and nothing of substance would have been lost.

Gundam does not need 50 episodes simply for being Gundam, the runtime needed to tell a story depends on the kind and scope of the story the writer is trying to make, not on the happenstance of simply being part of a franchise.


So... i just saw this now. Anyway, it's cleat that we have completely different opinions about the amount of episodes that a Gundam TV series should have. You say Z and i say X. No point continuing discussing this.
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Postby robersora » Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:08 pm

Turn A Gundam remains deeply fascinating, but also taxing to watch at the same time. Tomino's directional style is great when it's about depicting the chaos of a surprise attack or the chaotic communication of multiple people. But it's nothing I can watch more than one Episode at a time, because there's rarely a flow of scenes. It's mentally tiring to keep track, als multiple things often go on at once, with whole side stories unfolding in the background and sometimes it feels all too inconsequential as potentially intriguing plot points resolve themselves in the minute they where set up.

Tomino was certainly heavenly influenced by French New Wave Cinema - but all to often his Shenanigans are purely cosmetic chaos.
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Postby KnightmareX13 » Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:25 pm

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Postby Bagheera » Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:24 am

Yeesh. Brought to us by the same guy who gave us Valvrave the Liberator. This bodes . . . poorly.
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Postby Shamsiel-kun » Sat Nov 21, 2015 6:17 am

View Original PostBagheera wrote:Yeesh. Brought to us by the same guy who gave us Valvrave the Liberator. This bodes . . . poorly.


4 episodes...250 yen an episode in the country that brought us 70 dollar DVDs with 5 episodes on them? :huh:

Sounds like QUALITY.


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