Iuvenal wrote:What happened to GNR at the end of this scenario?

I'm really not sure, other than Kaji reassuring(?) Misato.

IronEvangelion wrote:*Steal a Harpy.*
*Fly back to NERV HQ and crush Gendo.*
*Cut off the hand Gendo fused with the Adam embryo.*
*Put hand-embryo on a rocket and launch it on a collision course with the nearest black hole.*

Problem solved, series over.

Speaking as a dedicated proponent for any type of Gendo-dismemberment, I must say these are all excellent suggestions, but is a harpy really necessary to complete the task? If, as the OP proposed, you are already a pilot, couldn't you just use your Eva?

Better yet, why not just strangle the guy with your own bare hands (more thematically appropriate I would think, considering how often it occurs during the series)? Shouldn't prove all that difficult either, since the only ones who seem to be protecting him at this point are Tines and NemZ.

I chose a Harpy because if I used my own Eva, NERV has all the access codes and could just shut it down, disconnect the umbilical cable, or kill me by overpressurizing the LCL in the entry plug (similar to what happened to Shinji when he tried to crush the command pyramid after the Bardiel fight). They most likely don't have the codes for Harpies. Also, in some continuities Gendo gets godlike powers from fusing with the embryo, such as the ability to project an AT field like the angels do. Conveniently, Harpies come equipped with anti-AT lances. Harpies also have infinite power supplies and... Harpy lips.

Of course I could just sneak in and reprogram my own Eva's operating system so NERV couldn't interfere with it remotely, but given the complexity of Evas it would probably be easier to steal the Harpy.

Shakivara777 wrote:if you were a character in evangelion World and you were an eva pilot
what will you do to defeat the giant Rei ?
what will you do to save the humans from turning into an orange soda XD

Dance like I mean it, baby.



It's always the penguin they least suspect!

IronEvangelion wrote:Problem solved, series over.

You forgot to take care of Seele, Nerv, Lilith, the Spear......

They can't begin Third Impact without Adam, and if the Adam-based Evas were viable substitutes I'm sure the SEELE members in Gehirn would have just used them right away instead of going through this whole convoluted mess.

Why the mention of "EoTV" (how is that even a term?) in particular, separating it from the movie? Is there a point in separating those two?

Blue Three: NemZ and Mr. Tines think that EoTV depicts an outcome that's completely different from EoE, and they make sure nobody ever forgets it.

IronEvangelion wrote:They can't begin Third Impact without Adam

Seele doesn't seem to agree.

this whole convoluted mess.

What? Killing the Angels?

BC Baron wrote:Speaking as a dedicated proponent for any type of Gendo-dismemberment, I must say these are all excellent suggestions, but is a harpy really necessary to complete the task? If, as the OP proposed, you are already a pilot, couldn't you just use your Eva?

Better yet, why not just strangle the guy with your own bare hands

Best to drop an N2 mine on him from 50,000 feet. It's the only way to be sure.

And, let's face it, there's just not enough time in this busy world to show everybody the courtesy of a good strangling.

Reichu wrote:Blue Three: NemZ and Mr. Tines think that EoTV depicts an outcome that's completely different from EoE, and they make sure nobody ever forgets it.

Oh well. Why simple when you can have it complicated.

Reichu wrote:Seele doesn't seem to agree.

Would they even have been able to use a Harpy as an Adam substitute, though? As far as I know they have artificial S2 engines. Unit 01 does have a real S2 organ, and was made from Lilith, but despite eating an Adam-based life form and absorbing its S2 organ she never impacted (of course if we were talking about Rebuild that would be a different story). Or maybe the Spear itself was the intended Adam substitute? I do remember them saying something about using Unit 01 and the Spear as a backup plan.

And yeah I was talking about Gehirn/SEELE sealing Lilith away, creating NERV, having NERV kill all the angels, then initiating an invasion of what was essentially their own base to get back to Lilith. Seems like they could have just caused Third Impact with Lilith and the Adam embryo/the Spear/whatever and let the new god(s) kill all the angels (unless the angels would have been instrumentalized along with humanity, in which case I understand why they'd want to kill them first.

Anyways, to be on the safe side I revise my plan: After securing the hand-embryo, I'd get back in the Harpy and kill Unit 01 before Shinji could awaken her (probably with the fake Spear). That would leave plenty of time to launch the embryo into space as well as hunt down and exterminate SEELE before they could retrieve the Spear from the moon and possibly do something weird with it and Lilith. After the extermination of SEELE, we could figure out what to do about the spear (possibly cause a dirac sea event on the moon with a rigged S2 engine and throw it in?)

Blue Three wrote:Why the mention of "EoTV" (how is that even a term?) in particular, separating it from the movie? Is there a point in separating those two?

Let's just say there is disagreement over the matter.

Search for discussions on "concurrency" for more...

Obviously there is or was at some point. If nothing else, how does one reconcile the two pieces not being complimentary with them being part of a single home video release?

Bear in mind that the US releases that most English speaking fans own have never had EoTV and EoE in the same box! But anyway, there are shows out there with alternate endings; some people think this is one, but others (including me) disagree.

Blue Three wrote:Obviously there is or was at some point. If nothing else, how does one reconcile the two pieces not being complimentary with them being part of a single home video release?

I wouldn't say that the endings aren't complimentary, just that whether or not they occur within the same continuity is ambiguous and debatable. Do they feature the same ending in different ways, or are they alternative endings with different implications? Read more on it here:

NemZ Edit: added a bunch more links, now in chronological order

http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/1833/EoTV-EoE-Concurrency-and-Gainax/
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/2133/EoTV-EoE-Episodes-Concurrency-Project/
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/2738/EoTV-vs-EoE-again/
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/7692/At-what-point-does-EoE-segue-into-episode-25/
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/8122/An-EoE-Theory-thats-been-confusing-me-Concurrency/
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/8141/What-isConcurrency/
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/8727/On-Air-vs-Directors-Cut-Whats-canon-retcon-whats-not/
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/9200/An-Argument-for-Transhumanistic-Instrumentality/
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/9421/Does-Yamagas-statement-about-EoTVvsEoE-affect-concurrency/
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/10029/Okada-Evas-Ending-Was-Decided-at-the-Last-Moment/
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/10494/Concurrency-Rises-from-the-Grave/
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/12277/Ep-25-Script-and-its-Implications-Concurrency/
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/13243/EoTV-EoE-Narrative-Concurrency-Reasons-for-and-Against/
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/16216/Instrumentalities-and-running-away/
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/16619/Whatever-happened-to-the-OTHER-concurrency/
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/16715/EoE-and-the-DC-Retcon-or-Not-split/

Reichu wrote:Blue Three: NemZ and Mr. Tines think that EoTV depicts an outcome that's completely different from EoE, and they make sure nobody ever forgets it.

We aren't the only ones who do, we just tend to be the loudest about it. We kinda need to keep at it to raise awareness of alternatives for noobies and to keep these discussions from being completely overrun with unchecked EoE fans.

NemZ wrote:We aren't the only ones who do, we just tend to be the loudest about it. We kinda need to keep at it to raise awareness of alternatives for noobies and to keep these discussions from being completely overrun with unchecked EoE fans.

I don't think I've heard it from anyone other than you two, though it'd be silly to think no such people exist.

Mr. Tines wrote:As an EVA pilot, you're in the wrong place to have much effect

Or perhaps not. If you could de-fuse the toxic situation in the Katsuragi household (by being DJ Croft, for example), and leak some convincing documentation about what was really going on, then maybe you could end up running your own hack on the end-game, with multiple S2-equipped Evangelions holding the field of combat after taking down the harpies.

The only way to thwart Gendo's plans/3rd Impact, IMHO, would be totally depended on Rei's agency, whether she chooses to return to her roots (Lilith) or not, as well as Gendo NOT having Adam. Yeah, good luck with that.